Carbineer Archive
Thread: New tactics! Master Carb+BH carb people: read this!
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AriasImmortal
Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:06 pm
#1
And yet, you'll still lose to me... at least up until the defense stacking nerf. 
CaliburClick
Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:09 pm
#3
I serious PVPer will be kded and dizzy on the ground with the +190 accuracy a carbineer/bh gets after the patch. Well I guess I am a serious PVPer
TrassNimode
Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:24 am
#4
When I was building up this template (Master Carbs+BH Carbs) I couldn't decide between BH 3400 or BH 0300 and novice medic. Confusion Shot was awesome, and I didn't want to give it up. Dizzy them and hit them with CS. Well, after CS got nerfed, I started using FKD, it's the same as CS except no stupid animation and: It comes with a chance to dizzy.
If you are Master Carb BH 3400, I suggest you drop it and get 0300 and Novice Medic. If you are going for the Master Carb+BH Carb template in the future, take Novice Medic and only go up to BH Carbs 3.
The reason I say this is because with this combo, you don't need Confusion Shot, you can keep people KD all day, and Novice Medic comes in handy so much more.
Open up with FKD. Hopefully you KD them and apply a dizzy. Sometimes you only KD them, and sometimes you only Dizzy them.
If you Dizzy/KD them, they will be down for 15-20 seconds, get up, and still be Dizzy. Hit them with Supression Fire 2 and they fall back down for another 15-20 seconds. By this time, the dizzy is wearing off and they are getting up. No problem though, because the 30 second FKD timer has expired! Lather, rise, repeat!
Novice Medic comes in handy so much more, especially if you already can use this combo. Muon+BoH and I can beat buffed people unbuffed because I have Medic.
The only reason you might want to keep 3400 is to hunt Jedi when they fix it in Publish 7. But to me, it's a whole lot more satisying to head into AH buffed and kill countless Rebs. /grinz (or if your Rebel, head into Theed).
If you are Master Carb BH 3400, I suggest you drop it and get 0300 and Novice Medic. If you are going for the Master Carb+BH Carb template in the future, take Novice Medic and only go up to BH Carbs 3.
The reason I say this is because with this combo, you don't need Confusion Shot, you can keep people KD all day, and Novice Medic comes in handy so much more.
Open up with FKD. Hopefully you KD them and apply a dizzy. Sometimes you only KD them, and sometimes you only Dizzy them.
If you Dizzy/KD them, they will be down for 15-20 seconds, get up, and still be Dizzy. Hit them with Supression Fire 2 and they fall back down for another 15-20 seconds. By this time, the dizzy is wearing off and they are getting up. No problem though, because the 30 second FKD timer has expired! Lather, rise, repeat!
Novice Medic comes in handy so much more, especially if you already can use this combo. Muon+BoH and I can beat buffed people unbuffed because I have Medic.
The only reason you might want to keep 3400 is to hunt Jedi when they fix it in Publish 7. But to me, it's a whole lot more satisying to head into AH buffed and kill countless Rebs. /grinz (or if your Rebel, head into Theed).
CaliburClick
Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:26 am
#5
I am going 3/4/0/0 BH and master carbineer. Why? Because I can still hunt jedis. Call me a dabbler, but it's not my fault the devs made every BH a carbine copy of each other. You could say I am a BH that only uses carbines.
TrassNimode
Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:38 am
#6
Woah hey, didn't mean to be offensive if I was, but your 'tone' sounded like you were aggrivated.
Like I said, if you want to hunt Jedi be my guest, I'm even thinking about it. But constant dizzy/Kd and being able to heal yourself is much fun!
Like I said, if you want to hunt Jedi be my guest, I'm even thinking about it. But constant dizzy/Kd and being able to heal yourself is much fun!
CaliburClick
Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:46 am
#7
Yeah it is, I will miss novice medic greatly. But thats why I keep some pixie and brandy right on my tool bar, a few clicks...and I can spam the specials until those Jedi are dead.
Slopius
Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:43 am
#8
um, if you just spam in /stand, you can get up from KD/Dizzy and yes even if your dizzy you will still get up no matter what, ive done it tons of times so dizzy is basically useless just spam in /stand and youll get right back up.
Gust-XIV
Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:48 am
#9
You didnt mention that fact that when you go master carbineer and BH 0300 you get 105 carbine speed and attack speed is so high and fast attack speed on weapons doesn't matter anymore, you attack the same speed with a 4.0 speed weapon and a 1.7 speed weapon, its insane.
-Gust
Master Squad Leader
Novice Medic 0/0/4/0
-Former Master Carbineer
-Former BH 0/3/0/0
HashiEno
Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:49 am
#10
pick up novice brawler instead of novice medic or bh inv. line, and you can prevent the /stand trick from being used... at least for 10 seconds. also, a kd preceeded by a delay move such as warcry will keep them down beyond the measly 5 seconds that a standard, undizzied kd affects.
Detchi
Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:56 am
#11
If you have to stop and heal, you are already dead! That's my motto, and it's true 99.999% of the time. MBH + 0/4/0/3 Carbineer is still the best Carbineer template I've found. Sprayshot is the best Carbineer special currently available, and the setup gives out +180 Carbine accuracy, 3 dizzy attacks, 4 posture change attacks and several high damage attacks. And not to mention it's always fun to switch to the scatter and set people on fire with Torso shot!
TrassNimode
Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:48 pm
#12
You have a few good pointes, Dechi. About BH/Carbineer, it's all about preference. If you like using pistols and carbines and killing Jedi, then MBH with carbineer dabble. If you are a sole carbine user, MC with BH dabble. I prefer the latter.
If you have to heal, you are not necissarily dead. I went to the Weapons Factory on Talus un-buffed, and got rushed by about 12 Rebel NPCs. I got dizzy by one hit, and posture downed by another. So I was on the ground flopping, and my life dropped to about 70. I was spamming stand and healself and I did make it up and recuperate and kill them all.
With Novice Medic, I can fight in mass PvP (GCW, raids, ect) un-buffed and still compete with everyone else buffed. Now, that's not to say that me un-buffed is going to beat 5 buffed Rebel PCs... no, not gonna happen. But when it's 8 on 8, and almost all are buffed, I am still in the frey doing damage and making a difference, even if unbuffed.
I chose that
If you have to heal, you are not necissarily dead. I went to the Weapons Factory on Talus un-buffed, and got rushed by about 12 Rebel NPCs. I got dizzy by one hit, and posture downed by another. So I was on the ground flopping, and my life dropped to about 70. I was spamming stand and healself and I did make it up and recuperate and kill them all.
With Novice Medic, I can fight in mass PvP (GCW, raids, ect) un-buffed and still compete with everyone else buffed. Now, that's not to say that me un-buffed is going to beat 5 buffed Rebel PCs... no, not gonna happen. But when it's 8 on 8, and almost all are buffed, I am still in the frey doing damage and making a difference, even if unbuffed.
I chose that
Mafaza
Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:08 pm
#13
I'm seriously considering going M Carb/BH 3400, but I don't know if I can give up eyeshot (riflemen really hate it ). Having to chooseamong def, acc, and chargeshot, though, is driving me crazy.
). Having to chooseamong def, acc, and chargeshot, though, is driving me crazy.
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