Carbineer Archive

one thing you need to know is that though commando weapons have an inate aoe of 6 m around your primary target....All but your primary target will only be hit for elemental +1 damage.

Strongest AoE attacks are sprayshot and fanshot as far as I know.

And from what I've heard the AoE of the weapon tumps the AoE of the attack, so you won't be able to Full Auto Area with a rocket launcher and expect more than a couple target to get hit (the primary taget, and anything it the weapon's splash damage area.)

Haven't confirmed this myself, but I posted a similar question in the commando forum and that's the response I got form quite a few people.

Aye... though, Helios lately did some roaming around in the Commando forum, is now aware of the problem and promised that they are looking into it.

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Molique wrote:

And from what I've heard the AoE of the weapon tumps the AoE of the attack, so you won't be able to Full Auto Area with a rocket launcher and expect more than a couple target to get hit (the primary taget, and anything it the weapon's splash damage area.)

Haven't confirmed this myself, but I posted a similar question in the commando forum and that's the response I got form quite a few people.

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Aye. If you go commando, the AOE of other professions is worthless for you... as long as you use your commando weapons.

Message Edited by Sylow on 10-06-2005 06:29 PM

ehm I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere...but there ARE some single target weapons out there for commando, but I think they're all looted..

one I think is called Beam rifle, the other has a special name but looks like a rocketlauncher..

now I wonder if it would work if you'd use AOE attacks with these....

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one I think is called Beam rifle, the other has a special name but looks like a rocketlauncher..

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Beam rifle is lv. 30 and available for anybody. It once was planed to be SL-only, but then was changed.

The weapon you refer to is the proton rifle, which is looted from Nekrosis. Stats on the weapon vary, by all means it's a rifle, so if not taking bragging rights and cool looks into account, you're better of with a loot-enhanced advanced laser rifle, as far as i know.

Spray shot from BH 0400 andFull Auto Area from carbineer have your biggest damage mods on em I believe. For a gun I'd say just go with a good loot madeelite or e-11 for pve damage. A friend of mine (MBH/MCarbine) has a near perfect e-11, he outdamages every jedi I've seen when it comes to aoe grinding. I'd also highly reccomend using suppression fire if you have things on you when you aoe, keeps a lot of damage off of you.

I'm guessing that your interest is maybe in FS aoe grinding, butI may bemistaken, is that correct?

Moral of the story though; I think carbineer takes the title for aoe ability with suppression and FAA, just pick up either fan shot from pistols or spray shot from BH and you'll be set.

Carbineer and Commando don't seem to mesh in as well as you'd think. Sort of redundant. The best AOE template IMO is Mcommando/Msmuggler/Pistoleer 0404. Its not just using the commando weapon to area damage a small group, you get all sorts of neat attacks to spread around, like roots, mezes, slow-downs (- combat haste), ect. When compared to this, Carbineer seems far from a good crowd controler. Feels more like a damage specialist with a few area tricks, but nothing to write home about. Not saying carbineer is a bad profession, far from it, but its just not the uber CC that people expect it to be.

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Bennyboy4308 wrote:
Carbineer and Commando don't seem to mesh in as well as you'd think. Sort of redundant. The best AOE template IMO is Mcommando/Msmuggler/Pistoleer 0404. Its not just using the commando weapon to area damage a small group, you get all sorts of neat attacks to spread around, like roots, mezes, slow-downs (- combat haste), ect. When compared to this, Carbineer seems far from a good crowd controler. Feels more like a damage specialist with a few area tricks, but nothing to write home about. Not saying carbineer is a bad profession, far from it, but its just not the uber CC that people expect it to be.

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Agreed. Commando mixed with smuggler or pistoleer is awesome. You won't be much on damage but that's some major crowd control.

The only crowd control ability that impresses me from carbineer is using FAA/Suppression. You can really do some damage like that. Only applies to a few specific pve situations though.

Also, I don't believe tha fan shot / FAA / spray are on any of the same timers. I think you could mix and match any of them just fine. I'm not positive though.

I personally don't believe area attacks is neccisarly crowd control. When I think of crowd control I think of somehow making it so they're less able to do something than you are, such as mezzing or somehow rendering them weaker statistically (Like short combat haste slowdowns, or accuracy reducers).

When I mentioned crowd control with FAA/Suppression, the crowd controlis really in the suppression, andlike I said, is only really effective in a few situations.Specifically when you have a large amount ofmelee pve hostiles. By spamming FAA/Suppression and running in large circles, you can keep most of the pack off of you while still keeping a decent DPS on all of them. It might not be the classic idea of crowd control so much, but it manages to keep large groups of melee at bay while you still put out good damage.

Situations where this can be usefull that I've found:

• Moving through dungeons quickly and still getting thekills: Myydril, Force Crystal Caves, etc...


• AOEing lairs for xp. I've even managed to aoe large lairs solo like this, but it's tricky.


• Etyy hunting wagers.These only takea few minutes each like this...

Probably other situations too,those arejust the first that comes to mind.

Without that suppression in there I would be dead trying to do this, not to mention it helps keep most of the mass in your aoe cone.

BTW, FAA has a wider cone than any other Cone Special

Fanshot is on the same timer as FAA, I'm pretty sure, and Spray is on a different one.

Go for FAA, then run back and catch them in the tight cone of Spray. Spam Suppression if necessary.

Ownage =D

Only thing that comes close to Carbines/BH would be Smuggler/Commando, for AoE states, not damage.