Carbineer Archive
Thread: How to make a good (pvp) Elite Carbine
Novamarine asked me to write something about what is needed to make a good Elite carbine, which options there are for enhancement or different components etc.
Stats might vary quite a bit from server to server depending on the resources available
When making a gun for pvp there are some things to think about:
* Minimumum damage is very important because the way damage mitigation works. This makes the Elite the best carbine (followed by DRX my personal favorite) because of the high min damage
* HAM cost is usually not a problem since you will (and should) be buffed
* Accuracy (range mod) is important to be able to hit an opponent with good defense mods. DON'T NEGLECT ACCURACY!
A basic Elite with no ptional components does not have very exciting stats. Whith our resources on Wanderhome it would be about damage: 110-191 speed 3.5
How can we make this better?
1) Using stocks:
a) Advanced stocks. This is your cheapest alternative. A weaponsmith should be able to experiment an advanced stock to about damage 40-40 speed +0.3 (i.e. making it 0.3 slower).
Typical stats:
Min dam: +40
Max dam: +40
Speed: +0.3 (my are 0.294)
Ham cost: 28/28/28
Wound: +10
Range mod: +10
You get better damage, accuracy and wound for the cost of slower speed and higher HAM cost. Note: In almost every case advanced stocks give you a higher DPS than w/o. The speed penalty is worth it IMO.
b) Form-fitted stocks
These are quest items from the imperial theme park (if you are lucky to get them). Price vary depending on your server (might cost about 100-250k).
Stats:
Min dam: +25
Max dam: +30
Speed: -0.5 (yes, 0.5 BETTER speed)
Wound: 10
Ideal Range: 15
This stock is great! if you are a BH/Carbineer you might not need the extra speed and instead use the cheaper and higher damage advanced stock.
Also no extra HAM cost!
c) Looted exceptional/legendary stocks
Those are rare. Stats vary a lot. I have got some with stats:
Min dam: 23
max dam: 38
Speed: 0.176
Range mod: +62
Also no extra HAM cost. If they are worth using depends on the stats of course. This stock is IMO better used for a T-21 (which have bad accuracy since you can't use scopes). For a Carbine I would prefer the form-fitted stock
2) Scopes
Scopes does nothing to your damage. You can however experiment it on damage but it only add wound. The reason to use them is to improve accuracy. No gun that can use a scope should be without it.
a) Normal scopes. A master WS can experiment those down to zero HAM cost but actually adds +1 because of rounding.
Typical stats:
Range mod: +10-15 (I have 12 points and my are usually +15)
HAM Cost: 1/1/1
Wound: 2
b) Advanced scopes. Those are heavier on HAM cost but possible to get range mod a lot higher than
Typical stats:
Range mod: +40-42 (my are +42)
HAM cost: 17/17/17
Wound: 5
For an Elite Carbine for Pvp I would use advanced scopes. Usually use normal scopes for "normal" guns.
3) Barrels
a) Normal barrels.
Typical stats:
Min dam: 9
Max dam: 9
Speed. -0.46
Range mod: +5
b) Advanced barrels
Typical stats:
Min dam: 11
Max dam: 11
Speed; -0.33
Range mod: +18
c) Looted exceptional / legendary blaster rifle barrels
Stats vary, don't have any example right now. My partner had one which was about double damage or so.
There might be some really good loot exceptional/legendary barrels. I talked to one gut that had a pistol barrel which was dam: 49-33 speed: -2.156!!! If I found a rifle barrel anything close to that ....
As you see normal barrels are 2 pt less damage and less accuracy. Looking at DPS normal barrels give you higher DPS, but on the other hand you have worse accuracy. Nor sure myself which is more important. I have been using advanced barrels but that is more of marketing reason than anything else (and accuracy IS important on a pvp gun).
4) Power handler
It is here Krayt tissues go. Stats vary on tissues. The most common (and cheapest tissue) is +30 max dam and -0.3 speed. Price and availability vary depending on server.
On Wanderhome a +30/-0.3 tissue cost about 200k each. +50 and speed 04-0.6 cost about 600-700k each. We recently had an auction on wanderhome for 6 x +97 which were sold for 22 millions.
You would need at least 5 identical (=same serial number coming from same drop) tissues. The Elite require 4 identical power handlers. This means they need to be made ina factory and to make them in factory you need to first make a schematic for the krayt enhanced power handler. This means you will waste one tissue to make the schematic and the 4 other is used in the gun.
If you have more than 5 tissues you can use the same schematic to make handlers for more guns. 9 identical tissues will give you handlers for 2 elite carbines. The max number of identical tissue is 11.
The end result you get when using Krayt tissues is to add the max dam on the tissue and subtract the speed (assuming no failed experimentation). Even if more than one tissue/handler is used those are not stacked (using 4 x 100 max dam tissues will "only" give you +100 damage)
Is it worth it? Depends on how rich you are :-). Using the cheapest tissues would cost you at least 1 million. If you are unlucky and get a bad slice then stats might be worse than using a non-enhanced gun and a good slice. For the cost of the +30 tissues you would be able to buy 50 normal Elite Carbines. You would most certain get a 30%+ slice.
But with Krayt you get both a damage and a speed improvement making it more valuable than for example Krayt enhancing rifles (where speed is of less or no importance). The damage boost is not that great since it only adds to max damage.
Ok. Let compare some stats (only useful for comparing different models not to compare with what you get on your server) for some different models:
1) Elite w/o stock and adv scope dam: 110-191 speed: 3.5 Range mod ideal: +44 HAM: 31/49/25 - DPS 43
2) Elite with advanced stock and scope (my standard pvp model): dam: 150-231 speed: 3.8 Range mod: +81 HAM: 76/94/70 - DPS 50.1
3) Elite with form-fitted stock and adv scope: dam: 135-226 speed: 3.0 Range mod: +86 HAM: 48/66/42 - DPS 60.2
4) Krayt Elite using 30/-0.3 Krayt and form-fit stocks and avd scope: dam 135-256 speed: 2.7 Range mod: +86 HAM: 48/66/42 - DPS 72.4
5) Krayt Elite and adv stock/scope: dam 135-261 speed 3.5 Range mod: +81 HAM: 76/94/70 - DPS: 58.6
Message Edited by Bermag on 03-25-2004 01:07 PM
Message Edited by Bermag on 03-25-2004 02:27 PM
Beside getting a good slice you next option to improve the gun is using a good powerup. Note: It is not true that using powerups will make your weapon decay faster.
For PvP I would recommend something else than the usual max dam powerup. Minimum damage is more important because of damage mitigation.
Max/min is pretty nice but there are other options:
Need for speed? Use a Speed / Min damage (3x% Speed, 16.x% Min damage
Damage and speed: Min dam / speed (3x % Min damage, 16.x % speed)
TKA in your face? Min dam / Point blank penalty (3x% min damag , 16.x % Point blank penalty)
Wounding : Min dam / Wound chance (good for griefing lol and/or not being able to heal damage)
Nice writeup, but how are you getting the same speed on no. 1 and 2? The elite with the adv stock I would expect to be slower than a plain elite.
TwilightScout wrote:
Geez quoting is such a pita on this forum.
Nice writeup, but how are you getting the same speed on no. 1 and 2? The elite with the adv stock I would expect to be slower than a plain elite.
Sorry, it should be 0.3 slower. fixed that now (at least we now have an edit function)
Wellsyland,
One of the best Weaponsmiths on Ahazi to make you some Carbines right now is Fahd he has a shop in City of Fate on Naboo. Go check out his shop and give him a tell for the Kryat guns. Hes got good resourses too, he can make you a pair of fine weapons.
Elaric
question on barrels
do you use rifle barrels or are there carbine barrels? and if its rifle barrels what is the main diffrence between the imp retreat ones and advanced ones?
DUDE, sweet!!!
How much for the #4?? I'd buy one in a second if I could find anything similar on the Corbantis server. After you craft that #4 krayt elite carbine, you can then get it sliced and on top of that slap a power up in it? Holy geez!!! I want one very badly. As a BH/Carbineer I've been looking for a good Carbine like this for a long time now. Corbantis seems to be lacking when it comes to quality weapons like these.
They are named rifle barrels but are used for carbines, flamethrower, LLC and heavy weapons.
There are two different rifle barrels, blaster rifle barrels and projectile rifle barrels. The projectile rifle barrel is only used in the Tusken Rifle so those theme park rifle barrels are pretty useless. Today, there might come new weapons using them.