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i would love to know. it is the best shot i have (obviously) but some people say that it is broken, so in PvP i find myself purposely using it sparingly...affraid that i will get mean /tells about exploiting or something or other...

then i read on the boards over and over that it is working as intended...so which is it?

i don't want to feel bad for using it if it is not bugged.

(heh, i even apologized once after a fight i won because i looked at my combat log and felt like i might have used it to much...not even spammed...just a few times with other shots in between. they did not respond so i assumed they were mad)

is this just one of those things where as soon as a class gets a good move, everybody else says it is broken? i mean TKM willknock medown every time i am 17m or closer without fail...but i just assume that is what they do, not that they are broken...

thanks.

You know some people are always going to have different answers for something like this.

I would have to say that yes, ChargeShot1 is bugged. My reasoning is simple, they put timers on across the board. I am also sure they never intended for 1 person to be able to solo a kyrat.

Your personal decision to not use it excessively on any one target would be respectable.

Truthfully it is bugged but it is no reason to not use it at all. The only way you would be exploiting it is if you continually spammed it...The timer on knockdown supposedly is 5 seconds so if you had it fire continually and knock them down over and over then that would be exploiting. So use it in pvp just dont spam it. Its a shot that is required if you wanna do good.

I disagree completely.

Chargeshot1 does exactly what its supposed to do. KD the target. Chargeshot2 is "bugged" because it doesnt work at all. Its supposed to KD multiple targets and it doesnt but it should at least KD one target like Chargeshot1!

I dont think there is anything wrong with spamming it, even tho that is not what i do. I usually WIldshot1, Chargeshot1, Crippleshot, Burstshot1 till death.

I would not feel bad at all for using it. Im sure other professions use the most powerful shot they have. Bugged or not.

JMO

Master Carbineer/Master Creature Handler/Medic

According to the devs, it IS working as intended. This means that either they feel that the disadvantage of having to use it standing and going throught that wierd animation is compensation for its power, or......

They don't actually know that the KD timer isn't working for it right now.

I hope its the former, but given the devs' track record, I fear it may actually be the latter reason.

Chargedshot1 does work as intended. CS2 does not work at all. CS1 is not on a timer and it does have a verysmall failure rate that does seem to increase slightly vs high lv mobs (however it could just be due to that mobs higher dodges/ca's. )

Spamming it is not an exploitbecause chargeshot has had at least 1 tweak and on another occasion was nerfed because for a few days mobs that got knocked down werent getting back up. both incidents happend afterthe big nerf with KD specials and CS was left alone, presumeably because without it, carbineers would have completely lost the crowd control ability that they were once known for.

also anyone who says they solod a krayt with cs1 is full of **edit** unless it was maybe a juvy. the success rate of cs1 is good but it isnt THAT good.

so spam all you want, thats what chargeshot is for.

According to the devs, it IS working as intended

LMAO

And if the devs told you your HAM costs were the lowest in the game that would make it true? The fact is charge shot is bugged and anyone using it in PVP is being cheep and exploiting. If you think that you are suppose to be able to pin some poor smuck in one place and there is NOTHING they can do about it and its not bug or an exploit.... well I am sure you are one of the peeps that got the system changed in the first place. If you use charge shot to win a fight the other guy has nothing he can do about it, you are pressing the "I win" button plan and simple. Its not a normal kd where they can resist. I have tested it on Melee friend of mine and it pins him in place. I have also tested it on a rifleman friend of mine and it while it doesnt make him stop attacking meit does really slow his rate of fire and while he was spamming specials it kept cleaning out his bar. Sorry its a sore spot cause I hear peeps now that are picking up carbineer for just charge shot.... great so we can NERFed again with no fixes.

So in closing if you like this class and want it to get better get on those that spam cripple in PVP cause it will get us nerfed hard....

Lageas

LOL spam charge shot not cripple. No one cares about cripple smugglers with pistolier out damage us there specials.

Lageas

Geez Valdo, calm down! Did you even read the whole post??? I said 'according to the devs' and then right after that I mentioned that you can't really rely on what they say.

Sorry its a sore spot... I get about 5 tells a day now about charge shot. I also here peolpe telling me how they are going to pick it up so they can have a ranged KD that they can use in pvp. Just what we need a bunch of pistoliers and rifleman picking up novice carbineer and charge shot...

Lageas

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Valdo wrote:

Sorry its a sore spot... I get about 5 tells a day now about charge shot. I also here peolpe telling me how they are going to pick it up so they can have a ranged KD that they can use in pvp. Just what we need a bunch of pistoliers and rifleman picking up novice carbineer and charge shot...

Lageas

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lol sorry i hear what your saying and you would be right if carbine stacked with anything aside from BH and they are severaly limited in there dabling due the prereqs for that prof. Do you remember how much we missed with only marksman skills? dont forget that in PVP people also have insane doge/counterattack/Whatever rifleman get skills and general ranged def on top of that. so if all they have is chargeshot they can spam away cause unless they are kneeling they will miss all the time and i find i very difficult to make my chargeshot stick while in any posture that adds to accuracy

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Valdo wrote:

According to the devs, it IS working as intended

LMAO

And if the devs told you your HAM costs were the lowest in the game that would make it true? The fact is charge shot is bugged and anyone using it in PVP is being cheep and exploiting. If you think that you are suppose to be able to pin some poor smuck in one place and there is NOTHING they can do about it and its not bug or an exploit.... well I am sure you are one of the peeps that got the system changed in the first place. If you use charge shot to win a fight the other guy has nothing he can do about it, you are pressing the "I win" button plan and simple. Its not a normal kd where they can resist. I have tested it on Melee friend of mine and it pins him in place. I have also tested it on a rifleman friend of mine and it while it doesnt make him stop attacking meit does really slow his rate of fire and while he was spamming specials it kept cleaning out his bar. Sorry its a sore spot cause I hear peeps now that are picking up carbineer for just charge shot.... great so we can NERFed again with no fixes.

So in closing if you like this class and want it to get better get on those that spam cripple in PVP cause it will get us nerfed hard....

Lageas

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first, thanks for all the replies.

now Valdo you don't really mean "anyone using it in PVP is being cheep and exploiting" do you? you mean anybody who spams ONLY CS1 and nothing else right? there is no way i will stop using it...it is so useful...i just will try not spam it.

and what about TKM? i am often pinned to the ground for the duration of a fight. and i try to /stand and can't or go straight back down when i do...in fact, i have never had a TKM encounter that did not include me being on my back a lot. Is that KD different? also, people can still shoot at me with the CS1 KD, i can't doanything to touch TKM when they have me on the ground...or at least i have not figured out how...

being that emotion is hard to express in text, i have to say my approach is purely conversational and i do not intend to argue or accuse...simply learn...it will make for much better PvP in the end...since i am still trying to figure out how to stay alive...hehe.

hate to do this to you Valdo but i need to pull in a quote from another similar post...i hope nobody jumps on this because i am not attacking or trying to prove anybody wrong, in fact i may be wrong ...but here goes:

you said:

"I dizzy+kd expert bounty hunters all the time."and
"As a master BH you should use confuse shot first as this sticks the dizzy much better. Then just spam the Firekd 4 times and they go down"

isn't that the combo which makes it so you cannot stand up at all ? which is the guaranteed instant win combo...hehe, if this is the one, than CS1 is nothing but an annoying slap on the hand...well, not really, but it definitely does not compare to the KD + Dizzy = The Win combo

please correct me, or explain what the difference is or whatever...

"trying to keep PvP fun one post at a time"