Carbineer Archive
Thread: Im an old timer Carbineer. Carbineer since almost the begining. are the Devs STILL dissing us?
Message Edited by Cardco2 on 01-07-2005 03:00 PM
Cardco2 wrote:
REFRASE: Do we still have speed issues, accuracy issues defence issues, leg shot no worky etc?
Only problem I see is Speed and that is all I am really taking to the Devs.....minor gripe on LS2=LS3 and need for 4th damage type.
Accuracy is fine, LegShot3 is our best kill shot and with BH or SEA's or FS Melee Speed the Carbine Speed issue is resolved/helped.
TAfirehawk wrote:
Cardco2 wrote:
REFRASE: Do we still have speed issues, accuracy issues defence issues, leg shot no worky etc?
Only problem I see is Speed and that is all I am really taking to the Devs.....minor gripe on LS2=LS3 and need for 4th damage type.
Accuracy is fine, LegShot3 is our best kill shot and with BH or SEA's or FS Melee Speed the Carbine Speed issue is resolved/helped.
Pistoleer melee defense = 45Pistoleer ranged defense = 7
Rifleman melee defense = 40 Rifleman ranged defense = 72
Carbineer melee defense = 0 Carbineer ranged defense = 27
In my opinion I would say this is an issue, it appears that they forgot to add melee defense to the carbineer classto me.
TAfirehawk wrote:
Cardco2 wrote:REFRASE: Do we still have speed issues, accuracy issues defence issues, leg shot no worky etc?Only problem I see is Speed and that is all I am really taking to the Devs.....minor gripe on LS2=LS3 and need for 4th damage type.
Accuracy is fine, LegShot3 is our best kill shot and with BH or SEA's or FS Melee Speed the Carbine Speed issue is resolved/helped.
Please remember that you are our correspondent.
I think you do a great job at communicating with us but if we believe that something is an issue, then it is an issue and should at least be discussed, not dismissed by you because you don't see it as an issue. If you think someone is missing the big picture in regards to an issue, then please post your arguments so we know why.
The difference in melee defense for the 3 ranged professions is clearly an issue for carbineers. The numbers are based on a combat system far gone ( dmg mods etc. ).
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Oculus wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
Cardco2 wrote:
REFRASE: Do we still have speed issues, accuracy issues defence issues, leg shot no worky etc?
Only problem I see is Speed and that is all I am really taking to the Devs.....minor gripe on LS2=LS3 and need for 4th damage type.
Accuracy is fine, LegShot3 is our best kill shot and with BH or SEA's or FS Melee Speed the Carbine Speed issue is resolved/helped.
Please remember that you are our correspondent.
I think you do a great job at communicating with us but if we believe that something is an issue, then it is an issue and should at least be discussed, not dismissed by you because you don't see it as an issue. If you think someone is missing the big picture in regards to an issue, then please post your arguments so we know why.
The difference in melee defense for the 3 ranged professions is clearly an issue for carbineers. The numbers are based on a combat system far gone ( dmg mods etc. ).
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You have absolutely no idea what I tell the Devs. You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the Combat Upgrade. You have no idea what options we have between now and the Combat Upgrade. You have absolutely no idea WHAT THE MAJORITY says around here.
I don't "run" the Carbineer Community, just pass on what the MAJORITY wants. I find your entire tone and lack of respect insulting.....how long have you been an active member in the Carbineer Community? Is it long enough to pass judgement on me?
galvatronicus wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
Cardco2 wrote:
REFRASE: Do we still have speed issues, accuracy issues defence issues, leg shot no worky etc?
Only problem I see is Speed and that is all I am really taking to the Devs.....minor gripe on LS2=LS3 and need for 4th damage type.
Accuracy is fine, LegShot3 is our best kill shot and with BH or SEA's or FS Melee Speed the Carbine Speed issue is resolved/helped.
Pistoleer melee defense = 45Pistoleer ranged defense = 7
Rifleman melee defense = 40 Rifleman ranged defense = 72
Carbineer melee defense = 0 Carbineer ranged defense = 27
In my opinion I would say this is an issue, it appears that they forgot to add melee defense to the carbineer classto me.
Who said a Carbineer is supposed to have any Defense?
Who said the other profs aren't the ones broken?
Who said that I haven't complained about the Defense issue to the Devs, even if I personally feel the role of the Carbineer is NOT about Defense.
The Carbineer Issues are LISTED INA STICKY POST......so the real answer to this entire thread is READ THE FAQ.
galvatronicus wrote:
So if it is your personalopinion that we shouldnt be concerned with defenses and carbineer should be a defenseless class like combat medic, bounty hunter, or commando (all elite classes), in your opinion would you say our offenses should be on the same level as those classes then? If not what is the trade off, are states enough? I agree with what your saying about fixing speed and some of the other problems, but in the current system is that enough to warrant not having defenses? Maybe, I am not sure. Thearea attacks make carbineer fairly potent so I am kind of torn over this issue of whether we should have more defenses or not.
Personally I am ok with the lack of defenses, but I have also stacked bounty hunter up with carbineer so I have that elite level offense despite my newblette level defenses.
Absolutely impossible for a Carbineer (92 Skill Points) to be at the same level as a hybrid prof like BH or Commando or even CM (169 Skill Points). You are comparing apples and oranges there.
And a 250 Skill Point Combat Template will be stronger than any lower value of Skill Points dedicated to Combat.
Who said a Carbineer is supposed to have any Defense?
Who said the other profs aren't the ones broken?
Who said that I haven't complained about the Defense issue to the Devs, even if I personally feel the role of the Carbineer is NOT about Defense.
The Carbineer Issues are LISTED IN A STICKY POST......so the real answer to this entire thread is READ THE FAQ.
"Who said a Carbineer is supposed to have any Defense?"
Nobody, but we feel that it is an issue since we are the only profession without it.
"Who said the other profs aren't the ones broken?"
Highly unlikely that they messed up on all the other professions but managed to get only Carbineer right.
"Who said that I haven't complained about the Defense issue to the Devs, even if I personally feel the role of the Carbineer is NOT about Defense."
Nobody but this comment certainly doesn't indicate that you've done so, "Only problem I see is Speed and that is all I am really taking to the Devs....."
"The Carbineer Issues are LISTED IN A STICKY POST......so the real answer to this entire thread is READ THE FAQ."
The issues are listed in 'Carbineer Issues and Status", the FAQ has low defenses as a weakness, as in, a commonly accepted drawback of our professions, not an issue. However the issues thread doesn't mention melee, only ranged defenses.
"I don't "run" the Carbineer Community, just pass on what the MAJORITY wants. I find your entire tone and lack of respect insulting.....how long have you been an active member in the Carbineer Community? Is it long enough to pass judgement on me?"
No you don't, I've never implied so. You are our correspondent and that's why I felt the need to comment on the way you dismissed the intial posters concerns. I've seen a lot of posts regarding our melee defenses. If you have numbers that support that a majority of carbineers don't see our lack of melee defenses as an issue, please share.
My tone was fine and I have a lot of respect for the time you put into this forum. If you got a different impression from my post then I'm sorry.
In regards to how long I've been active here? Well, I'm not very active anywhere here but I've been a Carbineer since Beta and since we're talking Carbineer issues here, that's what counts. I didn't pass judgement on you but I get the feeling you'd like to do so on me?