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Here is a quick look at the numbers vs. a 24% Engery 44% Base Imperial PSG, 80% Base 40% Stun Layered Composite doing damage from some various weapons taken from stettin's weapon list which is linked in the FAQ.

Stun Baton (AP0 Stun) 90-133 (Average=111)
1st the Armour Rating Light of the PSG kicks the 111 damage down 50% to 55 damage.
2nd the PSG nullifies 44% of the 55 so we are down to 31 damage.
3rd the Stun Layer hits 40% of the 27 to 18.
Damage done: 18 of 111
Effective Resistance: 74%

DXR-6 Carbine (AP1 Acid) 154-222 (188)
1st the PSG is completely ignored since Acid is in the vunl list, 188 damage gets through
2nd the AR1 of the Armour nullifies the AP1 of the weapon no damage reduction, 188 damage still.
3rd the 80% Acid Resistance on the armour kicks in and cuts the 100 damage down to 20
Damage Done: 38 of 188
Effective Resistance: 80%

Laser Carbine (AP2 Energy) 84-322 (203)
1st the AP2 vs AR1 gives a 25% damage increase giving us 254 damage.
2nd the PSG vs the energy damage reduces the 254 by 24% ending up with 193 getting through.
3rd the 80% resistance of the composite nerfs the 193 down to 39.
Damage Done: 39 of 203
Effective Resistance: 81%

Jawa Ion Rifle (AP1 Stun) 126-228 (177)
1st the PSG AR1 nullifies AP1 of the Jawa Ion letting 177 damage through.
2nd the PSG vs the stun damage reduces the 177 by 44% letting 99 damage in.
3rd the Stun Layer knocks off 40% of the 99 leaving us with 59 Damage
Damage Done: 59 of 177
Effective Resistance: 66%

DXR-6b Disruptor* (AP2 Acid) 186-357 (271)
1st the PSG is ignored completely ignored since acid is on the vunl list letting 271 damage in
2nd the AP2 of the weapon vs. the AR1 of the armour increases the damage by 25%, 339 damage
3rd the Composite reduces the 339 damage by 80% to 68
Damage Done: 68 of 271
Effective Resistance: 75%

T-21 Rifle (AP3 Energy) 175-410 (292)
1st the AP3 of the weapon increased the damage by 1.56 (1.25^2) to 455.
2nd the 24% Energy Resistance on the PSG reduces the 455 to 345
3rd the Composite finnally kicks in and hit the 345 with 80% resistance resulting in 69 damage.
Damage Done: 69 of 292
Effective Resistance: 77%

Scythe Blade* (AP2 Kinectic) 193-332 (262)
1st the PSG is ignored allowing the entire 262 damage through because kinectic is on the vunl list
2nd the AR2 vs AP1 of the composite armour increased the damage by 1.25 to 328
3rd the Composite's 80% Kinectic Reistance kicks in and reduces the 328 to 65
Damage Done: 65 of 262
Effective Resistance: 75%

Vibro Knuckler (AP1 Kinectic) 38-148 (93)
1st the PSG is bypasses since kinectic is on the vunl list letting 93 damage in.
2nd the AR1 nullifies the AP1 of the composite armour, 93 damage still
3rd the 80% Kinectic resistance reduces the 93 damage to 18
Damage Done: 18 of 93
Effectice Resistance: 80%

Power Hammer (AP2 Blast) 139-476 (307)
1st the PSG is once again bypassed allowing the full 307 through
2nd the AR2 of the hammer vs the AP1 of the armour increased the damage by 1.25 to 384.
3rd the 384 Damage is reduced by the composite's resistance of 80% to 77
Damage Done: 77 of 307
Effective Resistance: 75%



Hope this helps all of you prepare for and against the different damage types and above all notice that stun damage really isn't all the superior when used against a prepared combatant.

And last but not least armour is one of the many factors you need to consider when factoring damage. Other factors such as Damage Mitigation, Toughness and Food Like Synthsteak and Unarmed Damage also play a part in this determination.

*-these are special loot weapon's which were not contained on stettin's list, stats are assumed to be average and like always may vary galaxy to galaxy, but in the end the stats of the weapon used will NOT change the effective resistance of the armour setup.

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Feomatar wrote:

Nice post, but you only calculated the AP vs. AR for either the psg or the composite... are you sure that it works like this?I allways thought AP vs. AR comes into play twice when you wear both psg and armor.

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I will have to admit that I haven't tested this, but the AP/AR calculation should only be happening once......if it does work twice then IMO that is a clear bug. So if anybody has some HARD FACTS from LIVE testing they want me to pass along in the Corr Forum, feel free to post or PM me the info

Very simple test, I am pretty sure we would have heard the fencer sreaming from here if they got hit with this 50% AP0 vs. AR1 more than once. That would mean the get hit with 50% from the PSG, then 50% again from the armour, then 44% PSG, then 40% ARmour leaving stun batons having to go through about 92% Mitigation on even the most basic of composite setups. And this is obviously not the case, or the fencers are seriously not paying attention.

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Novock wrote:

excuse me for being in the dark a bit, but i though the AP calculations weren't really working at the moment as they were suppose to. Is AP2 truly giving the dmg bonus against comp? It seems I still do more damage with my 228 dmg Dx6 then I do with my 554 dmg Lazer. I will do more tests but was just curious about the functioning of the Ap calculations.

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AP/AR has been working for a VERY LONG time....and continues to work.

What you are probably refering to is all the jedi complaining about not getting the damage boost from Medium AP since lightsaber is on the vunl list on armour. That isn't clear whether it is intended or bugged.

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Novock wrote:

No offense but I don't listen to Jedi cries LOL

Nah I was just mistaken on the AP calculations.

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heh, i try not to but they are so loud ... that is where i noticed a lot of rumours that armour was bugged started surfacing.

As far as I know AP vs AR works like this:

AP0 weapon versus AR1 armor = 0.75 damage multiplier (or a 25% damage reduction)
AP0 weapon versus AR2 armor = 0.75*0.75 = 0.525 (47.5% damage reduction)
AP1 weapon versus AR1 armor = damage is not affected.
AP2 weapon versus AR1 armor = 1.25 damage multiplier (damage boosted by 25%, for example the laser carbine)
AP3 weapon versus AR1 armor = 1.25*1.25 = 1.5625 (56.25% damage boost, this would be the case of the T21)

So the stun batons only get a 25% damage reduction from the AP1 of the composite/PSG.
HOWEVER, I've tested this several times, wearing a PSG and a stun layered composite, the stun protection effectiveness will be the PSG resistance + the composite resistance (47% + 40% ~ 87% stun effectiveness). I'm not sure if it's really being added, since the PSG resistance drops quite fast, but it's getting a big boost for sure.

For example, a fencer that can hit an NPC for 3000 damage (the NPC standing, not knocked down), that same hit in pvp would be:
75% damage reduction for pvp = 750
AP0 vs AR 1 (25% dam reduction) = 562.5
* (Only a PSG is being used) 47% reduction = 298
* (Only a 40% stun composite is being used) 40% reduction = 337.5
* (PSG + stun composite) not sure how it works, but it really makes a difference

The damage can be decreased even more if you include stun and intimidate states, and melee toughness/mitigation


*Edit* I believe AP0 vs AR1 is a 25% reduction, but I haven't tested it myself to be honest.
*Edit2* Actually, I've checked a couple of damage calculators and they seem to agree in a 50% reduction against AR1

So... more numbers, same example:

75% damage reduction for pvp = 750
AP0 vs AR 1 (50% dam reduction) = 375
* (Only a PSG is being used) 47% reduction = 198.75
* (Only a 40% stun composite is being used) 40% reduction = 225
* (PSG + stun composite) not sure how it works, but it really makes a difference

Plus states like stun/intimidate and melee migitation

Message Edited by Fortune120 on 12-31-2004 08:22 PM

Message Edited by Fortune120 on 12-31-2004 08:31 PM