Carbineer Archive
Thread: Possible HAM changes
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novamarine
Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:42 am
#1
Please check out this link for info on a possible new HAM system. This is similar to the experimental one seen on TC in last 2003.
If you have general comments, post themin that thread.
If you have Carbineer-specific comments, pleasepost them in this thread.
Message Edited by novamarine on 07-23-200410:43 AM
Message Edited by novamarine on 07-23-2004 10:43 AM
Rorenikibi
Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:50 am
#2
I like it! I can understand it being tricky, since its essentially creating a "shadow HAM" system.
TAfirehawk
Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:08 am
#3
But one piece of a very complicated puzzle.....lets hope they don't wait 6 months between pieces.....
StikerRunningfly
Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:42 am
#4
I still don't see how this will help "much". Yes it's true that with this system you will not be able to kill yourself while unbuffed. However, if there are no changes to the cost of carbine specials, you will still only be able to pull off a few shots before your "specials" bars run out. As it stands now, with good damage on a carbine (non-krayt), the cost of specials is very high. Experimentating on this, I've managed to run myHAM down to near 0 on 3-4 shots. Instead of killing myself, it seems I will just run myself down to near-ineffectiveness in a very short time, even while buffed. I still feel there needs to be a change to the actualy costs of certain types of specials, mainly carbineer.
paradoxom
Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:16 am
#5
StikerRunningfly wrote:
I still don't see how this will help "much". Yes it's true that with this system you will not be able to kill yourself while unbuffed. However, if there are no changes to the cost of carbine specials, you will still only be able to pull off a few shots before your "specials" bars run out. As it stands now, with good damage on a carbine (non-krayt), the cost of specials is very high. Experimentating on this, I've managed to run myHAM down to near 0 on 3-4 shots. Instead of killing myself, it seems I will just run myself down to near-ineffectiveness in a very short time, even while buffed. I still feel there needs to be a change to the actualy costs of certain types of specials, mainly carbineer.
They aren't trying to make it where you can do MORE specials.. they are trying to make it where you do LESS specials.
StikerRunningfly
Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:32 am
#6
paradoxom wrote:
StikerRunningfly wrote:
I still don't see how this will help "much". Yes it's true that with this system you will not be able to kill yourself while unbuffed. However, if there are no changes to the cost of carbine specials, you will still only be able to pull off a few shots before your "specials" bars run out. As it stands now, with good damage on a carbine (non-krayt), the cost of specials is very high. Experimentating on this, I've managed to run myHAM down to near 0 on 3-4 shots. Instead of killing myself, it seems I will just run myself down to near-ineffectiveness in a very short time, even while buffed. I still feel there needs to be a change to the actualy costs of certain types of specials, mainly carbineer.
They aren't trying to make it where you can do MORE specials.. they are trying to make it where you do LESS specials.
Which would be fine if everyone else was in the same situation. Right now, they aren't. Yes some of them do have high costs on certain weapons, but almost every carbine and special has a very high cost. An unbuffed pistoleer can spam about 10-15 specials before running the HAM down. As a commando with various flame throwers, HAM wasn't even a concern for me. The cost was very little compared to thedamage I was dealing (unbuffed in heavy armor). My point is that every profession needs to be brought in line together. Carbines are very high, I just think that needs to come down some.
Bennyboy4308
Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:35 am
#7
Is this going to be one of the band-aid fixes or just a preview of the revamp after JTL?
TAfirehawk
Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:37 am
#8
Bennyboy4308 wrote:
Is this going to be one of the band-aid fixes or just a preview of the revamp after JTL?
This is from the In Concept Forum....so it is months and months away....
Zanholo
Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:38 am
#9
"it seems I will just run myself down to near-ineffectiveness in a very short time, even while buffed."
You need to find better buffs and some brandy/canape 
StikerRunningfly
Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:45 am
#10
Zanholo wrote:
"it seems I will just run myself down to near-ineffectiveness in a very short time, even while buffed."
You need to find better buffs and some brandy/canape
You need to read the message on the link provided in the first post. The "soft cap" on the new HAM bar means that your "specials" bars would run down whether you have buffs or not.
TAfirehawk
Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:58 am
#11
StikerRunningfly wrote:
Zanholo wrote:
"it seems I will just run myself down to near-ineffectiveness in a very short time, even while buffed."
You need to find better buffs and some brandy/canape
You need to read the message on the link provided in the first post. The "soft cap" on the new HAM bar means that your "specials" bars would run down whether you have buffs or not.
But buffs to Secondary Stats could reduce the usage rate of the "specials" bar.....
This is In Concept stuff, barely a chicken scratch on the back of a napkin....
JerikArca
Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:30 am
#12
This system was already on TC. I wont take THAT long to re-impliment the system and publish it. This would be a good band-aid fix.
OnlyMaestro
Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:34 am
#13
It will take a long long time to implement, because they basically said how a HAM change is so radical, with so much code, in-depth sequences it would only take a major publish to do.
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