Carbineer Archive
Thread: Carbineers deserve the better
Yea......yea........keep dreaming . It would be nice though. Think a few new weapons wouldsatify methough instead of a revamp. A BH also has to spend more skill points to get his profession, whereas a normal carb only needs carbs 4. I want that CDEF too.
SnuggleFox wrote:
All of you people who read this are probably disgusted by the VERY limited choice in carbines and stuff for us. Considering the best one I have is a Laser Carbine that is pathetic (It's rather good though). People say Ooooohh, well you got the nym slug thrower.....Who gives a monkey's wang about those. I've seen CDEF pistols with higher damage than those. Even sliced for a 35% they aren't that great. I as a carbineer demand a new carbine to be added. While rifleman get thier berserker rifles and pistoleers with thier DE-10s and Genosian pistols we get the freakin slug thrower... I bet a pikeman has more weapons to choose from than us. Plus added upon that; I would like to know the % that BHs Fire Knockdown for carbines is. I get the dizzy, the knock down, but I can't find the fire. I've looked high and low, far and wide and no fire. What is the purpose of FIRE knockdown if there is no burning sensation.
Considering my best carbine is a 3.7 420 laser carbine is pretty pathetic. I bet that you could find a Vibro Axe better than that. I DEMAND the ability to EARN a new carbine. I wish for the carbineer population to restock. We have barely 24 on the most populated server (Eclispe). Guess how many Infinity has.....3. I believe this is showing something about who is blasting away with a carbine...
Seeing as we also get more speed bonuses from BH than Carbineer I demand this be changed too. There are BHs faster than master carbineers with thier own weapon. The system of carbines are freaked up.
Post here if you agree with me and wish for entirely a carbineer revamp.
LETS PIMP UP THIS PROFESSION AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING IN EVERYONE!
LONG LIVE THE CARBINEERS!!!
Message Edited by Rebbin on 12-14-2004 10:18 PM
That being said a lot of the problems with the current carbineer are also problems with current systems in the game. For example speed. A Master Carbineer gets +60, a Master Swordsman gets +75. Really not a huge difference until the speed formula is applied at which point those precious extra 15 points become the world. Combat as a whole needs to a face lift in this game, not just carbineers ... and that is exactly what we are getting.
SnuggleFox wrote:
All of you people who read this are probably disgusted by the VERY limited choice in carbines and stuff for us. Considering the best one I have is a Laser Carbine that is pathetic (It's rather good though). People say Ooooohh, well you got the nym slug thrower.....Who gives a monkey's wang about those. I've seen CDEF pistols with higher damage than those. Even sliced for a 35% they aren't that great. I as a carbineer demand a new carbine to be added. While rifleman get thier berserker rifles and pistoleers with thier DE-10s and Genosian pistols we get the freakin slug thrower... I bet a pikeman has more weapons to choose from than us. Plus added upon that; I would like to know the % that BHs Fire Knockdown for carbines is. I get the dizzy, the knock down, but I can't find the fire. I've looked high and low, far and wide and no fire. What is the purpose of FIRE knockdown if there is no burning sensation.
Considering my best carbine is a 3.7 420 laser carbine is pretty pathetic. I bet that you could find a Vibro Axe better than that. I DEMAND the ability to EARN a new carbine. I wish for the carbineer population to restock. We have barely 24 on the most populated server (Eclispe). Guess how many Infinity has.....3. I believe this is showing something about who is blasting away with a carbine...
Seeing as we also get more speed bonuses from BH than Carbineer I demand this be changed too. There are BHs faster than master carbineers with thier own weapon. The system of carbines are freaked up.
Post here if you agree with me and wish for entirely a carbineer revamp.
LETS PIMP UP THIS PROFESSION AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING IN EVERYONE!
LONG LIVE THE CARBINEERS!!!
Hehe, I feel ya brother. But quite honestly, the whole game needs a complete revamp, and not just BH or carbineer. A new carbine would be sweet, especially a coldcarbine with decent damage (say around 200-220 max, 100-150 min with current armor resists. Cold isn't used much. Ever might be a better word tho.), or an electric with highdamage(say 300+ max, and 150-200 min)and medium AP. But quite honestly, the devs have quit listening to the forums (and all I can say to that is THANK GOD. They've listen to too many whiners as it is, and I shutter to think what would happen if half the stuff petitioned for on the forums actually went through).
But with the CU, there is a possibility that I will be shedding Carbineer (yet again).I have a hunch that the devs will be either change BH to where it has it's own type of weaponry (i.e. trade out the carb and pistoleer trees for a set of trees for Bounty Arsenal, or something like that) or drop the weapon trees period, and not force BH's to take on any kind of specific combat class. Either way, change is welcome.
As for the KDfire, well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news.....
The KDfire was never intended to have a "flame on" effect on your target. I've been in the game since 55 days after the launch, and KDfire has never set anyone on fire. That's one reason why mostranged BH's are pistoleers (that and pistoleer doesn't seem to suck as much, damn that dodge). Another reason is the KD timer and dizzy resists/nerfs, choice of weaponry and damage types.
Quite honestly, I welcome the CU with open arms. They can't possibly screw the game up more than they have. Can they? Guess I shouldn't have said that. [crosses fingers]
Message Edited by Kakherot on 12-15-2004 04:43 AM
galvatronicus wrote:
So is the combat revamp going to bring new carbines? Might as well let us know now and bring and end to the months of posts like this one, then we can all "constructively discuss" what types of damage they should have!
Hehe.
Honestly though, discussion of viable damage types would be useless because of the potential drop in buffs/armor, which would make our standard damage types hopefully better.
The Combat Upgrade/Revamp/Balance may indeed balance out all forms of damage so that we wouldn't really need any new weapons. I'm actually quite satisfied with the Carbineer profession right now, to be honest. It has a few flaws, but if it didn't change come the Revamp, I wouldn't mind too much. It's other professions which need nerfing/help.
Message Edited by AdmiralSpy on 12-15-2004 01:07 PM
galvatronicus wrote:
So is the combat revamp going to bring new carbines? Might as well let us know now and bring and end to the months of posts like this one, then we can all "constructively discuss" what types of damage they should have! Come on Firehawk you know you want reveal all the sordid details of the combat revamp, give in and spill the beans (and dont be all coy about not knowing either). Everyone knows that you are privvy to all the information we have ever wanted, and are only holding back as part of a grand correspondant conspiracy to "pwn the community".
I never have been coy about me knowing....I have posted a number of times lately that I know but can't tell. If I did spill the beans then I would more than likely be removed from my Corr position and most definitely not allowed in the CU anymore.....for the Carbineer Profession and me personally I don't like the sound of that 
The CU Docs are HUGE and the scope must be fully explained to comprehend it, so just talkiing about weapons would just lead to more questions than I have now....
BTW, yes I want to tell all of you how awesome the whole CU is, but that would be suicide at this point so you all have to get into the Closed Beta or wait for it to hit TC....sorry.
Kakherot wrote:
One thing I would like to see is about a 3k addition in HAM points. If they're going to be dropping buffs down to nothing, then we need something extra just to have a fighting chance. Other else, these high level mobs will start whacking every non tank in one or 2 hits.
VoTech wrote:
Kakherot wrote:
One thing I would like to see is about a 3k addition in HAM points. If they're going to be dropping buffs down to nothing, then we need something extra just to have a fighting chance. Other else, these high level mobs will start whacking every non tank in one or 2 hits.
The whole point is to make solo'ing the high mobs hard-impossible.
If you want to play a solo game, play a FPS
QFE
This isn't how the game is now of course, but this is why there is a Combat Upgrade instead of a Combat QuickFix 
eathscyth Master Bounty Hunter, Master Carbineer
