Carbineer Archive
Thread: Carbineer- Underated in Pvp?
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e3ApeXX
Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:19 pm
#1
About 3 months ago I was thinking about becoming a carbineer, but after trying it out for a while, I was wondering if carbineer is really bad in pvp or if I wasn't useing the fight tactics. Seeing how it has no stun (the ultimum in pvp nowadays), dots aren't common, and it does't produce and extremely high damage output, I don't understand how anyone would want to use it in pvp. During beta testing for JTL, I got my chance with the frogs to try carbineer. With a krayt laser rifle (it was 175-791 or something like that) I was very dissapointed to see that the damage going through the armor was around 8-9. So is there a place in pvp for carbineer, or is it a totally pve profession? (kinda like commando 
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Message Edited by e3ApeXX on 11-17-2004 06:21 PM
Nadiel26
Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:36 pm
#2
everyone has their views on carbineer. i see it as a great profession, just not one you'd go around soloing all the mobs with or PvPing solo.
wilibus
Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:56 pm
#3
e3ApeXX wrote:I was very dissapointed to see that the damage going through the armor was around 8-9. So is there a place in pvp for carbineer, or is it a totally pve profession? (kinda like commandoMessage Edited by e3ApeXX on 11-17-2004 06:21 PM
8-9? I think you were maybe reading something wrong.
BlackJango
Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:07 pm
#4
carrbineer uses CARBINES you idiot
e3ApeXX wrote:
About 3 months ago I was thinking about becoming a carbineer, but after trying it out for a while, I was wondering if carbineer is really bad in pvp or if I wasn't useing the fight tactics. Seeing how it has no stun (the ultimum in pvp nowadays), dots aren't common, and it does't produce and extremely high damage output, I don't understand how anyone would want to use it in pvp. During beta testing for JTL, I got my chance with the frogs to try carbineer. With a krayt laser rifle (it was 175-791 or something like that) I was very dissapointed to see that the damage going through the armor was around 8-9. So is there a place in pvp for carbineer, or is it a totally pve profession? (kinda like commando
After posting this message I noticed the other 100 posts regarding similar information. Sorry for the 100th post on this issue
Message Edited by e3ApeXX on 11-17-2004 06:21 PM
Bennyboy4308
Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:09 pm
#5
LOL, that would explain the uncertified 7-8 damage you were doing lol.
AriasImmortal
Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:25 pm
#6
cripplingshot has the same damage mod as strafe2 in rifleman. carbineer has insane (and i mean insane) DPS with the right weapons... I saw some guy with a base dxr6 hit a melee stacker for over 1k (before armor) consistently in PvP. That's vicious.
Blamj
Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:37 pm
#7
But then his 90% armor blocks 90% of the damage! his Migration 3 turns 10% into 4% and his buffs quickly regenerate over the 15 points of damage 
Bennyboy4308
Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:40 pm
#8
Blamj wrote:
But then his 90% armor blocks 90% of the damage! his Migration 3 turns 10% into 4% and his buffs quickly regenerate over the 15 points of damage
1000 damage on the combat tab is already mitigated, and 90% armor makes it 100. Not uber but not horrible either.
TAfirehawk
Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:09 pm
#9
Because Carbineer does not do anywhere near the top of the line DPS in PvP, I consider it critical to be a Carbineer/Fencer/Pistoleer Defense Stacker. Add top of the line Comp/PSG/Buff/Food/Weapons and most duels you can get a draw on.....
But trust me, the whole landscape is changing in this area in the CU....it just isn't getting here fast enough
AdmiralSpy
Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:23 pm
#10
TAfirehawk wrote:
Because Carbineer does not do anywhere near the top of the line DPS in PvP, I consider it critical to be a Carbineer/Fencer/Pistoleer Defense Stacker. Add top of the line Comp/PSG/Buff/Food/Weapons and most duels you can get a draw on.....
I can't stress this enough. BH/Carbineer is a great combo, but it simply doesn't cut it.Carbineer is underrated, but with a lot of time (credits) and preparation, it rocks.
Raw defense stackers also suffer from the same damage problems we do. In fact, any PvPer is able to make themselves IMPOSSIBLE to kill unless your opponent uses DoTs.. it's as simple as 85% effectiveness armor, a PSG, synthsteak and buffs. Add a lot of defenses to that, and nothing will take you out. Nothing.
It doesn't matter if you're a Carbineer, a Pistoleer, or even an Image Designer. When it comes to damage, all professions can effectively be nullified, it just so happens that ours doesn't take much effort.
PvP is unfortunately a game of DoTs and defenses, not damage. If you can cover the defenses part, you're guaranteed to succeed, whether you're a Carbineer or not. Our profession is merely one of taste and convenience.. we prefer states and posture changes over raw DPS, both of which are often more effective.
Nadiel26
Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:16 pm
#11
i just play a role when i PvP. i apply my states with dot carbines and target CMs since they have nil defenses people think riflemen are sooo overpowered but they suck if they dont have KD defence i might not be able to dish out extreme amount of damage but i can incapacitate people while my group kills and i can do a good amount of damage myself
people think riflemen are sooo overpowered but they suck if they dont have KD defence i might not be able to dish out extreme amount of damage but i can incapacitate people while my group kills and i can do a good amount of damage myself
Rimau
Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:35 am
#12
If you are group fighting and as a Carbineer you are allowed to hover in the rear and lay down a supressive fire, you can deal serious damage and apply every state worth applying in seconds. Yeah, defense stackers a pain but if you have to fight one solo just keep him stunned and dizzied and let him fight off your posture down and KD attacks.
Nadiel26
Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:39 am
#13
with master carbineer and BH carbines 4 the only defense stacking that affects me is KD. KD and saberblock are the only things in game that make me completely useless. i dont go into battle thinking i'm the damage dealer. i take out who i can and target people that are a bigger threat to my group unless i feel like using full auto area and charge 2 to see who didn't come ready 
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