Carbineer Archive
Thread: Carbineer -VS- Pistoleer
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Ubesane
Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:35 am
#1
Greetings. I am a former novice carbineer that went Pistoleer with BH 0040 & Smuggler 0040 as additionals skills. I am wondering if you Carbineers will help me make the decision I am now faced with. I have many good but not great DOT pistols that I use in PVP and they help (current PVP rating is 1425). However, I love the look and AP2 of the Carbines and thus I was considering foregoing my pistols for carbines. Can any of you tell me how you guys fair in PVP as opposed to pistoleers. Thanks for any input and suggestions.
Ubesane 
BloodMonk
Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:56 am
#2
not easy to say I think...depends a lot on your gear and you skills....
When I was TKM/M pistoleer/M smuggler I only got whooped by two carbineers....and I got whooped bigtime 
I do have the impression that good carbines are easier to get then good pistols....
Sly
Ubesane
Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:23 pm
#3
Thanks for the input so far guys. Any one else want to contribute?
Ubesane
BoveApako
Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:42 pm
#4
Master carbiner 0400 bh whups on master pistoleer 0040 bh. I beat my pistoleer friend by keeping her blinded and working her mind down with scattershot 2. Pistols get NO dizzy/kd, so theres one advantage, other thanblind (from bh)pistols cant apply any other states, but carbineer can apply all of them except intimidate. The only problem is lack of defence, which can be nullified with good armor and food. Personally I beleive carbineer is the best ranged class hands down, (I know a pure master carbineer can beat a pure master rifleman ina duel if the carbineer knows what hes doing) so dont give up hope when you master carbineer and dont automatically pwn everything, it takes work to get the carbine skills to work for you.
Message Edited by BoveApako on 09-25-2004 07:43 PM
Canadianjoo
Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:34 pm
#5
if your looking for more general template building advice pistols might be better because of the much more effective defence mods, but in an even fight I think carbineer would easily have the edge, assuming good stun protection. We have better damage states and long range accuracy.
No0biner_0o
Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:21 am
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Ubesane wrote:
Greetings. I am a former novice carbineer that went Pistoleer with BH 0040 & Smuggler 0040 as additionals skills. I am wondering if you Carbineers will help me make the decision I am now faced with. I have many good but not great DOT pistols that I use in PVP and they help (current PVP rating is 1425). However, I love the look and AP2 of the Carbines and thus I was considering foregoing my pistols for carbines. Can any of you tell me how you guys fair in PVP as opposed to pistoleers. Thanks for any input and suggestions.
Ubesane
my main reason for liking carbinier is i dont have to rely on DOT's
though all are appreciated 
Ranger5
Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:33 am
#7
Ubesane wrote:
However, I love the look and AP2 of the Carbines and thus I was considering foregoing my pistols for carbines.
The problem is, only one of our weapons has AP2, and that is the Laser Carbine, which, when ranged damage mitigation comes into the picture, takes quite a dip due to it's rather small min damage.
I have tried Pistols on other servers, but have decided that Carbineer is much more appealing, due to the large variety, and the skill not skills that it takes to succeed at doing so. I enjoy PvPing but am usually in a group. Therefore, I don't really have much to say about dueling. Other than the odd stupid mistake by me, I often fair rather well. By myself I am not too productive, due to the fact that my template is far from complete.
BloodMonk
Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:37 am
#8
Don't underestimate the laser carbine!
My carbineer friend uses it a lot in PvP
Keep in mind that stocked it can be 85-320 unsliced, without loot enhancements
Sly
Agricola1
Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:13 pm
#9
Ubesane wrote:
Greetings. I am a former novice carbineer that went Pistoleer with BH 0040 & Smuggler 0040 as additionals skills. I am wondering if you Carbineers will help me make the decision I am now faced with. I have many good but not great DOT pistols that I use in PVP and they help (current PVP rating is 1425). However, I love the look and AP2 of the Carbines and thus I was considering foregoing my pistols for carbines. Can any of you tell me how you guys fair in PVP as opposed to pistoleers. Thanks for any input and suggestions.
Ubesane
Was mbh/mp, am now mbh/mc
Carbines out do pistols in every way. As long as your buffed and prepared to think about what your going to use it's better. Hunting jedi pistols = gay
Ubesane
Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:35 pm
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Thanks guys (and gals if appropriete) for the suggestions. I will give this a try on the test center to see how the differences pan out. You have at least convienced me to try it...
Ubesane
Feyrbrand
Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:03 pm
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BoveApako wrote:
Master carbiner 0400 bh whups on master pistoleer 0040 bh. I beat my pistoleer friend by keeping her blinded and working her mind down with scattershot 2. Pistols get NO dizzy/kd, so theres one advantage, other thanblind (from bh)pistols cant apply any other states, but carbineer can apply all of them except intimidate. The only problem is lack of defence, which can be nullified with good armor and food. Personally I beleive carbineer is the best ranged class hands down, (I know a pure master carbineer can beat a pure master rifleman ina duel if the carbineer knows what hes doing) so dont give up hope when you master carbineer and dont automatically pwn everything, it takes work to get the carbine skills to work for you.
Message Edited by BoveApako on 09-25-2004 07:43 PM
I'll have to say you're wrong there, my friend.
The only reason why I can beat Riflemen is because I eat Synthsteak, keep them intimidated, andI use myEE3 that has a DOT on it( Mind Poison, 259 strength, 68% potency, 35 seconds, -1 uses), so I can spam Full Auto Area (or Single) and keep applying those states and let the DOT sit in. Other than that, you really won't be killing any Riflemen if you are both equally prepared.
Feyrbrand
Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:07 pm
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BoveApako wrote:
Master carbiner 0400 bh whups on master pistoleer 0040 bh. I beat my pistoleer friend by keeping her blinded and working her mind down with scattershot 2. Pistols get NO dizzy/kd, so theres one advantage, other thanblind (from bh)pistols cant apply any other states, but carbineer can apply all of them except intimidate. The only problem is lack of defence, which can be nullified with good armor and food. Personally I beleive carbineer is the best ranged class hands down, (I know a pure master carbineer can beat a pure master rifleman ina duel if the carbineer knows what hes doing) so dont give up hope when you master carbineer and dont automatically pwn everything, it takes work to get the carbine skills to work for you.
Message Edited by BoveApako on 09-25-2004 07:43 PM
One more thing I forgot to add.
If a Rifleman is kiting you, a Carbineer, then you should be able to beat him (because of his horrbiel accuracy while moving mod).
If a Rifleman is standing still and has eaten ThakatilloAND is using Synthsteak (or Exo Protein Wafers, depends on the filling of the Thak), then you're going to lose because he can spam HS3 while you try to apply all the states.
zanzanEXPO
Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:45 am
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pistoleer/BH 0040 is easy to beat.
keep them intimdated[pick novice brawler]..
wear a stun armor.
wear a PSG.
chew some synsteak.
after that, i take 5-15 mind damage from them with there geo that my mind normally out-regain it.
keep them intimdated[pick novice brawler]..
wear a stun armor.
wear a PSG.
chew some synsteak.
after that, i take 5-15 mind damage from them with there geo that my mind normally out-regain it.
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