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Thread: Counterattack Question

RodianPlaya
Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:54 am
#1

I am a soon to be TKM...however, I am wanting to become far more defensive in melee than just a TKM. I am trying to find out if I were to get 0040 in pikeman and swordsman, would block/counterattack still work if I were using my fists? I am asking this question because I know the dodge issue was resolved with fencer/pistoleer....they do not stack and the skill only works for whatever weapon you are using. Is the same true with block (pikeman) and counterattack (swordsman)? Since they are passive skills...wouldnt they work anyways? Thanks for any input.

cheechcheech
Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:16 pm
#2

My understanding is they will not work unless u have a sword or a stick in your hand. Thats just the way it is.



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Cheech - Radiant
Sotaudi
Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:24 pm
#3

The mods are weapon specific. As a rifleman/swordsman, I will neverblock (rifle defensive mod) when I am using a Powerhammer. Likewise, I will not counterattack when using a rifle (note ironically: The rifleman block is reported as a counterattack in the combat window, but this is a bug and happens for all riflemen whether they have the counterattack mod or not. It is not that the defenses are stacking.)


At the moment, the bonuses will stack with professions that have the same defense. For instance, Pistoleers and Fencers both get dodge bonuses. If a person is both a Pistoleer and a Fencer, they will get the plus to dodge from both those professions. Since both pistols and 1H swords work with Dodge, both weapons would use the enhanced bonus from being both professions. Equip a 2H sword, however, and the dodge is useless. However, Counterattack is both a Carbineer and a Swordsman skill, and Block is both a Rifleman and Pikeman skill, so those bonuses would stack for each profession pair. And as long as you used the appropriate weapon, you would get the benefit from stacking. Because this stacking is creating some insanely powerful defensive characters, I suspec the stacking will eventually be nerfed.


Howevr, your problem as a TKA is that you get no bonuses to Dodge, Counterattack, or Block, so I assume that the TKA does not use them. That means that you would not get any benefit from those mods as a TKA while you were unarmed. You would have to equip the appropriate weapon to benefit from the mod, and you would have no way to stack the mod without picking up both of the professions that use it.




Sotaudi Crestlighter
Master Rifleman / Master Combat Medic
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Herque
Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:14 am
#4

block wont work and neither will counterattack (almost positive.)



Herque Eo'vaal
Master Heavy Swordsman
Commander Of the Kestrel Militia

RodianPlaya
Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:55 pm
#5

Thanks for your input, I appreciate it.
DaBomB691
Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:46 pm
#6

does counterattack work with a different weapon besides swordsman and carbineer weapons?
pentjaksilat
Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:48 pm
#7

nope.

same w/ dodge/block(broken).

only that carries over is the food w/ a +dodge mod...since it works for anything, doesn't affect the skill mod, but gives you an extradodge ability for the duration.

~pentjak



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RIP Dunadan
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Lhargylflharfh
Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:14 pm
#8

So funny, I actually won a pvp battle today with counterattack


I am 4/4/3/3, and I was facing a pistoleer.

He health bled me, while I did FAS2, Chargeshot, then various shots.

We both had an extremely small amount of health left, and somehow he got incapped.

I scroll up in my chat log..last combat entry was "*pistoleer name* hits you but you counterattack!"

I was quite suprised



- NGE Doubleplusungood
TyphonSet
Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:13 pm
#9

what would happen if u take Master Carbineer and Master Swordsman u would have a +215 counterattack approx would this be comparable to dodge stacker and is there a cap on counterattack?



Imperial Dog
TAfirehawk
Sat Apr 10, 2004 7:03 am
#10






TyphonSet wrote:

what would happen if u take Master Carbineer and Master Swordsman u would have a +215 counterattack approx would this be comparable to dodge stacker and is there a cap on counterattack?







There is NO dodge stackers anymore or even counterattack. Block, dodge, counterattack, melee defense, ranged defense are all capped at +125.





Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

Bennyboy4308
Sat Apr 10, 2004 7:16 am
#11

There is a food that is +50% (yes percent for some reason) to dodge, and I know it does't work if your not a pistoleer or fencer, but I wonder if you got a +1 dodge tape and took the food if it would work.



~Enaw~ [PV/XF Da 800g3ym@n] <RebelemO FactKr>
Sanctity
Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:03 pm
#12

Hehe, +1 Dodge tape + 50% Modifer = +1.5 Dodge
Bennyboy4308
Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:04 pm
#13

Well, the food itself says Chance to Dodge = 52%, dunno what it means. Sounds kinda like you'll dodge 50% of all shots.



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