Carbineer Archive

Offense/Defense
Offense -- 75
Defense -- 25

Targeting abilities
Single target -- 75
AoE/cone -- 25

Offensive Capabilities
Pure damage -- 30
Crowd Control -- 30
Status effects -- 30
Mobility -- 10

Crowd Control Abilities
Knockdown -- 20
Posture down/Snare -- 30
Slow target movement -- 40
Other -- 00

Status Effects
Bleeds -- 10
Delays -- 40
Wounds -- 00
Dizzy -- 30
Intimidate -- 00
Stun -- 20
Blind -- 00
Other Affects -- 00

Defensive Abilities
Melee defense -- 10
Ranged defense -- 40
Counterattack -- 30
Status resists -- 20

Weapons
Damage -- 25
Speed -- 25
Armor piercing -- 25
Accuracy -- 25

Group Roles
Tank -- 00
Damage dealer -- 40
Crowd controller -- 30
Debuffer -- 30
Other -- 00

without filling every question of the survey, carbineers should be the average across the board in defense and offense, just like humans are the average for ham out of the species. Every combat prof should have some melee and ranged defense, but then how good each is depends on the profession. So carbineers should be good when assaulted, but also good when fired upon for defense, where as a TKA should have Extremely little ranged defense, but very high melee defense. As it is now, carbineers have no melee defense at all, and, though debatable, pretty bad ranged defense too.

In terms of offense, carbineers should be mobile, and have better accuracy while moving, and though maybe less AP on their guns, have better spd and dmg than a pistol, where a pistol may be slightly slower and have slightly less damage, they have AP, and have specials that do one big damage shot. Carbineers should have no massive damage shot, but have burst shots, firing multiple shots each time, each one doing its normal damage, so like a barrage fire. Honestly, it makes no sense to say a pistol, a weapon generally requires the user to pull the trigger every shot is faster than a carbine, a gun that should be automatic or semi-automatic, and therefore they just hold the trigger. A Pistoleer is good at evasion, but not necessarily at firing large amounts of damage on the move, like a carbineer. In this light, a carbineer should have good moving accuracy, good speed, and good damage, but a pistoleer should be able to pick out weaknesses in the armor and get off a nice wounding shot in the armor, and be able to dodge fire, giving them a good AP, good wounding, and good ranged defense, they should not be fastest shot though.

And the last thing i'd like to address is state effects and AoE effects/ A carbineer should have GOOD AoE effects, attacks that do some nice high damage to multiple targets, showing that they are firing multiple shots at once, and that these shots are worth using. Right now, i am not impressed with the AoE attacks carbineers currently have. They do nothing for damage. Also, carbineers should have attacks that slow a targets movement and attack spd while so many meters away, not alot of focus on kd though. For this slowing though, it needs to work most of the time, and not like the current kd carbineers now have, that rarely works, only kds for about 2-3 secs, and then can't be used again for about a minute, if it works at all. They need a slowing attk that can be used like every 10-20 secs, and always works so long as they connect, to prevent melee assaulters from closing the gap so easily (notice though if the target evades the shot, then they are not slowed). I don't feel carbineers have much right now to discourage people from assaulting, as in PvE, pretty much everything charges at the carbineer when he shoots at it, it doesn't slow, it rarely kds, and it never runs, more often the carbineer runs. Look at the storm troopers for a moment, when i sic a pet on them, instead of holding their ground like a carbineer should, the storm trooper takes a couple hits and runs (and all mobs in PvE move faster than we do, so we can't even use a similar strategy). Carbineers should be responsible for holding their ground, and only relunctantly giving up their position, not always giving up their position cuz they can't hold anything.

---

novamarine wrote:

Offense/Defense
Offense -- 50
Defense -- 50

Targeting abilities
Single target -- 50
AoE/cone -- 50

Offensive Capabilities
Pure damage -- 50
Crowd Control -- 40
Status effects -- 00
Mobility -- 10

Crowd Control Abilities
Knockdown -- 20
Posture down/Snare -- 00
Slow target movement -- 05
Other -- 75

Status Effects
Bleeds -- 00
Delays -- 00
Wounds -- 50
Dizzy -- 00
Intimidate -- 00
Stun -- 00
Blind -- 00
Other Affects -- 50

Defensive Abilities
Melee defense -- 50
Ranged defense -- 50
Counterattack -- 00
Status resists -- 00

Weapons
Damage -- 25
Speed -- 25
Armor piercing -- 50
Accuracy -- 00

Group Roles
Tank -- 25
Damage dealer -- 25
Crowd controller -- 25
Debuffer -- 00
Other -- 25

---

Comments go here.

The only problem with this post is we might get something we don't want and quantify ourselves into a corner. If we go heavily AoE then we must have good defense as we will get aggroed by everything, especially in PvP where people will spam their best moves at the target that just engaged them - counterattack doesn't work when you are laying on your back. If we are single target damage the defense is less needed as we are drawing less agro.

We all have different ideas of what the carbineer is. I think of it as the assault rifle profession that pretty much sums up what all stormtroopers and mostarmies would be using in this era. Rifles are afor sniping while pistols are concealed sidearms that are dangerous in one on one situations where surprise is a factor to victory but not used on the battlefield except asa secondary weapon.

Here is a good quote from the Star Wars Arms and Equipment Guide page 15, "A blaster carbine is a kind of blaster rifle that saves weight with a shorter barrel and a smaller stock. These changes result in a lighter and less cumbersome weapon, at the expense of range and stunning ability." In the descriptions carbines and rifles fit into the same mold. It is possible some of the rifle certs could be used by carbineers. Or maybe the professions need to be renamed - Assault Weapons (Carbine), Sniper (Rifle), andBasic Sidearms/Concealed Weapons(Pistols) which isbased onstyles of fighting instead of weapons class. Also means certain certs can cross over into different groups easier but what really matter's is the skills you receive instead of weapon choice.

Another quote from the Star Wars RPG Revised Core Rulebook page 130, "Blaster technology in rifle form allows for greater range and additional firepower, but requires two hands to use. Weapons in this category include the blaster carbine, blaster rifle, sporting blaster rifle, light repeating blaster, and ion gun rifle." Basically any blaster that takes two hands to hold.

Things like duel pistol wielding players would come off the bounty hunter line as specialized forms of combat. So if you wanted some sort of assault style pistol fighting ability you might need to invest in a hybrid profession or some sort of upper elite fighting style instead of a weapon type. I personally don't know what to think of melee and think it should have been left as a nice diversion instead of what it is now. The only melee people that should be running into battle are Jedi because they can block blaster bolts.

I could go on and on about this, sorry for rambling somewhat. Professions should be based on skill sets instead of weapon certs.

---

Message Edited by Thrive on 02-18-2004 06:34 AM