Carbineer Archive

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TAfirehawk wrote:

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mrmark200000 wrote:

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MehoKaric wrote:

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Shu_ZhugeLiang wrote:

Well as a one year old Carbineer i tell you. I picked up a carbine the first day i started playing and i am yet to drop it, my profession has always been carbineer, always will be. I have an alt character, i tried every profession, Fencer, every FOTM template/ stacking templates nothing even came close to be as fun as Master carbineer/BH. Its just an amazing profession with ALOT of thinking and strategy to it. The only profession i like playing as other then carbineer is commando, which my alt is right now.

Here are a list of my pvp weapons : ( im a carbineer geek so bear with me here lol ;p )

- AKs-74u assualt rifle ( laser carbine ) 376-701 damage, 2.8 speed, 49% wound chance. Equiped with a silver scope and black Stock. Its my fav personal weapon, light enough to carry it around with enough fire power to pierce through anything

- M4 Semi-Automatic Carbine ( elite carbine ) 389-572 damage, 2.1 speed, 50% wound chance. A special ops weapons, Being Semi-Automatic allows for better accuracy, therefore hitting players in the most critical places. ( totaly ignores the migtation )

_ EE3 carbine, 207 mind poison, -1 uses,

I have tons of other carbines above avrage, currently im planning on making enhanced E11 carbine with some 120 max dsmage tissues.

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You realise that that laser will kick twice as much ass against mitigation as the Elite will, right? The Elite is only 10min damage higher.

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my buddy Zhuge wouldnt do pvp unprepared, trust me, next time read stuff completly

trust me zhuge is one of the best pvp'ers i know, he uses his laser carbine for the all melee templates, with spray shot hitting those guys with that carbbin, it will hurt. even with armor, if i get 130 damage through on 85% armor (was hanging out on TC2 with flavious) and that 130 damage was actual damage done, if that was going through 85% armor, think, of the average 60% armor in live, vs a 701 damamage carbine, and spray shot with a 7.5? 6.5 damage modifier? not sure, but yeah, and dont even say it, a PSG would be melted down by the thing in seconds.

edit: got a little enter happy, his elite would do better even though it has 10 more min, because of the closer min-max damage range,

Message Edited by mrmark200000 on 09-21-2004 06:02 AM

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While I don't doubt Zhuge is a great PvP'er, he doesn't understand how AP and Mitigation work if he is using the 389/572 Elite over the 376/701 Laser because of Ranged Mitigation 3. Of course I really question how in the world a Laser has 376 min damage...but if that is correct then after AP and Mitigation 3 the Laser has 552 DPS and the Elite has 426 DPS.

I am an engineer and I love math

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Shu_ZhugeLiang wrote:

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TAfirehawk wrote:

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mrmark200000 wrote:

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MehoKaric wrote:

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Shu_ZhugeLiang wrote:

Well as a one year old Carbineer i tell you. I picked up a carbine the first day i started playing and i am yet to drop it, my profession has always been carbineer, always will be. I have an alt character, i tried every profession, Fencer, every FOTM template/ stacking templates nothing even came close to be as fun as Master carbineer/BH. Its just an amazing profession with ALOT of thinking and strategy to it. The only profession i like playing as other then carbineer is commando, which my alt is right now.

Here are a list of my pvp weapons : ( im a carbineer geek so bear with me here lol ;p )

- AKs-74u assualt rifle ( laser carbine ) 376-701 damage, 2.8 speed, 49% wound chance. Equiped with a silver scope and black Stock. Its my fav personal weapon, light enough to carry it around with enough fire power to pierce through anything

- M4 Semi-Automatic Carbine ( elite carbine ) 389-572 damage, 2.1 speed, 50% wound chance. A special ops weapons, Being Semi-Automatic allows for better accuracy, therefore hitting players in the most critical places. ( totaly ignores the migtation )

_ EE3 carbine, 207 mind poison, -1 uses,

I have tons of other carbines above avrage, currently im planning on making enhanced E11 carbine with some 120 max dsmage tissues.

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You realise that that laser will kick twice as much ass against mitigation as the Elite will, right? The Elite is only 10min damage higher.

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my buddy Zhuge wouldnt do pvp unprepared, trust me, next time read stuff completly

trust me zhuge is one of the best pvp'ers i know, he uses his laser carbine for the all melee templates, with spray shot hitting those guys with that carbbin, it will hurt. even with armor, if i get 130 damage through on 85% armor (was hanging out on TC2 with flavious) and that 130 damage was actual damage done, if that was going through 85% armor, think, of the average 60% armor in live, vs a 701 damamage carbine, and spray shot with a 7.5? 6.5 damage modifier? not sure, but yeah, and dont even say it, a PSG would be melted down by the thing in seconds.

edit: got a little enter happy, his elite would do better even though it has 10 more min, because of the closer min-max damage range,

Message Edited by mrmark200000 on 09-21-2004 06:02 AM

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While I don't doubt Zhuge is a great PvP'er, he doesn't understand how AP and Mitigation work if he is using the 389/572 Elite over the 376/701 Laser because of Ranged Mitigation 3. Of course I really question how in the world a Laser has 376 min damage...but if that is correct then after AP and Mitigation 3 the Laser has 552 DPS and the Elite has 426 DPS.

I am an engineer and I love math

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You are forgetting something very very big. It is true that my laser will have a 552DPS while the elite will have 426DPS. But when attacking people with range migtation 3, your CHANCES, of hitting your max damage is very very low, yes on paper you will have a higher DPS, BUT in reality the elite will have a better overla avrage total. Because insted of hitting a 500 hit then hitting 5-7 hits as low as 340, it will always hit somewhere in between 420-460. while when fighting melee folks that dont have a range profession mastery, it is highly recommanded to use laser carbine.

However laser carbine has medium AP, while elite carbine has light AP. In my special case, ( due to extremly high min damage on my laser carbine, sometimes it is better to use laser vs range professions too ) but this only holds true as long as i have a power up on the weapon. I got very lucky with this laser carbine, got amazing sucess on all crafting parts, with a 32% damage slice. I used 101 or something like max damage tissues.

I have realized in regulare avrage pvping, my elite hits a better overal avrage then my laser does vs range professions. I also liek to use elite vs riflemen due to its shorter range modifier. a Laser carbine has its best range modifier at 50-60m ( exacly where a rifleman wants u to be ) while elite has a 25-35m ( exacly the place riflemen dont want u to be ) also carbineers get accuracy while moving, so get close to a rifleman and start moving around. this is also another reason as if why i like to use elite over laser carbine vs range professions.

and on the side forgive my typo, my laser carbine has 276min damage not 376.

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yeh, that minimum is a bit more reasonable lol

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Imspaced wrote:

You're not considering Intimidate and Stun

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HUH?

Considering them for what?

BTW, we don't have an Intimidate attack....