Carbineer Archive

hmmm... headshot2 takes 100 mind for a master rifleman eh? well at near master carbineer, legshot2 takes that much action from me, and guess what? WE ARENT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE SAME HAM COSTS AS A RIFLEMAN! notice who I'm not a rifleman, so why should i be doing less damage to an easily healable pool at slower speeds than a rifleman, yet with the sam HAM costs? hmmm, maybe because the damage to HAM output on our guns is completely off.

if our specials are gonna cost that much HAM, then obviously we should do more damage right? well, i guess not. We should not be forced to buff, take BH, or CH, just to shoot more than 8 times. i just went from full HAM to 0 in action in 5 crippling shots. Pistoleer takes waht, 20 before they run out? huh

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AriasImmortal wrote:

hmmm... headshot2 takes 100 mind for a master rifleman eh? well at near master carbineer, legshot2 takes that much action from me, and guess what? WE ARENT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE SAME HAM COSTS AS A RIFLEMAN! notice who I'm not a rifleman, so why should i be doing less damage to an easily healable pool at slower speeds than a rifleman, yet with the sam HAM costs? hmmm, maybe because the damage to HAM output on our guns is completely off.

if our specials are gonna cost that much HAM, then obviously we should do more damage right? well, i guess not. We should not be forced to buff, take BH, or CH, just to shoot more than 8 times. i just went from full HAM to 0 in action in 5 crippling shots. Pistoleer takes waht, 20 before they run out? huh

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hmm interesting thing about ham cost is that, pistol use almost 100% from action pool, while some carbine special likst scatter shot use all 3 pool, and some special use 1-2 pools, so that # that flash above your head, it's just the total of ham, when I use scatter shot, I take that # divide by 3, that's how much ham actually cost from each of my ham bar.

I rather carbineer use food and do massive amount of damage then a carbineer that rely on nothing and only do medioacre damage.because if I just want to be a medioacre damage dealer I won't be using any food. buff isn't even neccessary once you take BOH and 2 rysh cake.

and if you guys want to compare ham cost, commando special cost 10 ham in full composite.. and I can do 6k damage with 1 flamethrower special... but draw back short distance only 16m, and long refresh time, same with carbineer, carbineer have very high damage multiplier on their special, but draw back is that Laser carbine have a low mininum damage, and high ham cost(ham cost is totally fixable by using food)

also what you guys said that standalone class should be as good as any mix class you are wrong, a great pvp template is smuggler/pistoleer, but smuggler alone would suck, even though they have panic shot/last ditch/low blow, because they only have very very low speed modifiers.

fullybuff carbineer templatewill always outdamage a fully buffy pistoleer templateor rifleman template,

1)simply because pistoleer are great at low level, but their power does not increase as they gain more special and mod, since you can pretty much fire most special at 1 second just with 1-2 pistol speedmods, no matter how fast they can fire, they are limited by their weapon damage.

2)for rifleman the limited effect is on their mind ham cost and how very very slow their rifle is and plus they do not get their best special unless they master rifleman,

3)for carbineer, it maybe painful at beginning, due to slow special and high ham cost, but it's damage potential is very high, I read most people perfer charge shot on this forum because they don't have investment in BH carbine line, at beginning I hate hate carbineer because I was master smuggler/master commando, but holocron told me to master Carbineer, so I decide to stop and ask some advice for master carbineer on my server, I talk to pentjak who introduce me to yar. they told me that in order to get the most out of carbineer, I should pick up Bh carbine til at 3, that will give me +40 speed and +40 accuracy, at that time I was 1/0/0/2, so I was just hitting scatter shot 1 in combat once about every 3 second, life was awful as carbineer, so I decide to drop every single other profession, both commando and smuggler, and master scout in about a day and pick up novice carbine, and working towards the BH carbine 3, took me a while before I made it, and I try out the scatter shot 1, notice the speed drop to around 1.5 second.. it's good, but not great consider food bug was not fixed yet, so I work harder achieve 4/0/0/3,

right after the patch, I try out the foods+fire knockdown+scatter shot 2, all I can said is omg, I love carbineer, life is great because I can pretty much kill anything that moves, there is a huge damage improvement between bh carbine 2-3 and scatter shot 1-2.. crippling shot is fun as well. cripple for 6k damage once, about the random pool damage, scatter shot fire 3-4 shots, and hit multiple pools at same time, some time I would have all the shot hit health pool which just drop the target's pool by a huge amount, but since it hit random pool and health action are the pool most likely to be hit, so I know no matter what I hit, I would always hit something useful, anyone who play a TKA would know how useful combo is at outdamage or getting most xp in group, scatter shot=range combo, and sinceexperience in grouparecalculated by how much damage you do, that means all the pool scatter shot hit would count toward your experience in group.

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Valdo wrote:

Well first off the flame wasnt directed at you so to speak... sorry read too many threads then I got to yours. The bleeds were nerfed or fixed just depends on your point of view. I think you need to come to Tarq we loveour master carbineers and give them there do. But as to your point of joining a group with just Master carbineer well I wouldnt want you ether... the only solo master I would take with NO other skills is maybe Doc... even then I would wonder why they dont have combat medic. But thats my point we are not supose to just survive off of one set of skills in this game we are suppose to stack and mix them. I feal like people on this forum acted like we should destroy things that we were never ment to.

My 2 creds and thanks I liked it as well

Lageas

RIP

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First off not once in my post did I say we are totaly funtional class. In fact if you read the whole thing you say me talk about the fact that ham cost should not be our first thing to complain about when they are so easly fixed. I do agree that there are to many speicals in carbineer that need fixing and that is where I would love to see the devs look but aparently something about how this game is coded causes every fix to cause 5-10 more things go wrong.

I am still convenced that the speed thing is an error on SOE's part that they just havent fixed yet. The fix we all cry for though may well be to lower speed across the board. They are already hinting towards this as pistols just took a nerf and weapons across the board are getting tweaked by the changes to crafting.And if they were to up our speed (start drooling now) our ham costs would be fine. How do I know this cause I have worked with a carbineer with the uber shirt( kudos to whoever coined that term and by the way it only goes poof currently if you die with it off)

If you only use your carbine skill in combat you missed my point. If you still want to compare only carbiner to only pistolier. Here we go. THey for some reson can out damage us in dps. I agree this is a little wack. We have a spam KD that they have a solid defense on. Both of these are working as intended (ie they havent decided to change it yet). Well as the pistolier cant shoot on his back and in the next few months we will see his damage go down. We have already seen the solo pistolier vs carbineer vs rilfeman stats. Its about = with the pistoliers using prenerf weapons. I would love to see those test done again with post patch weapons.

Lets get down to specials. Well every class but Bounty Hunter and comando(not sure on the comando) has broken specials. Does it bug me that we have so many bugged specials? Yep. Do I think this should be the top area of concern for us.Yep If our specials worked right then we wouldnt be so worried about HAM cost if we could area knockdown or have a leg shot 3 that when used we went wow that is so much cooler than leg shot 2 vs now where we go there was a difference?

Now lets get down to reason I flamed. For the most part I dont see people comparing straight pistol to carbineer. I see them complaining about eye shot , panic shot, ect. and then continuing on to wine about how they got owned it when they are just a carbineer. Well our options are limited but I think we all can agree that bounty hunter carbine stacked with carbineer is up to the task of matching up to those guys. And as long as when SOE people come in here and get that impresion that we want one elite class to out perform any other elite class stacked with another elite class nothing will change.

The other thing I see people complain about is this cant solo ( insert high level critter here). I dont want to use the tools they have given me to allow solo play (non ch pets, faction pets, ). I want to use my uber elite carbine of doom and slaughter Krayts by the dozen. Yes I am going overboard there but you get my point. This game was not intended for people to solo grind faster than they can with groups. Did SOE slip up on that well yeah and thats why chs are slowly but surely get cut down to a more reasonable stance. And I work with a master pistolier on a regluar basis. He cant solo Krayts or even pickets without his rock beatle.

So in closing the point of my flame was this: please stop wining that you dont own everything in the game, please do fight for bringing our class up to snuff. But as long as we are percived as wanting to be better than everyone elsewe get nothing.

Lageas

To Valdo:

Way to go, sir. Well put. Give me specials that work, carbines that damage, speeds that make sense. Give me a fighting chance, without having to go into only3 other classes. If everything works they way the devsclaim, I'll keep the HAM costs. Other than that, dropthe HAM coststoo.