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Thread: Carbineer pvp templates

EisMan_Buckeye
Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:32 am
#14

LMAO. At that speed, you can shoot, put your weapon down, go have dinner, and be back before the next shot is reloaded and ready to go.



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AdmiralSpy
Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:40 pm
#15



The problem I see with Kutch's template is that you're not making the most of Carbineer at all. The speeds aren't ideal, even with a speed sliced and poweruped gun (which also implies you can't damage at all except for the use of poisons) and you have little defenses.


This template against any melee profession will get 'owned' fast and hard. Even if you do manage to land a mind poison/disease and can heal a dizzy, it's utter lack of any defenses means that you will go down fast if someone decides to tab-cycle you. Seeing as you'd be a Doc/CM, you'd also be one of the first targets against a smart group.


I've willingly sacrified the ability to buff/state heal myself or throw poisons in favourof adding Fencer to Master Carbineer. With some of the TK line, I'm capped at both Ranged and Melee Defense, I have very good state defenses (am hardly KDd), have both Ranged and Melee Mitigation 3, and with the proper equipment and foods (don't even need mind buffs), can and will solo any template. Only Rifleman/CMs are tricky if they kite, because their poison will tick rather fast.


That said, Kutch's part-Doc part-CM template is still very good when grouping. It is too support-based for me, though. I like to be able to deal some form of damage.. to me, that's more fun than simply throwing area heals and poisons and occasionally blinding/dizzying a target (not really useful if you can't damage them once they're KDd..)

While I will get flak for this, Kutch's template is much better coupled with some of Rifleman. But then, that could be said of most Carbine templates when it comes to PvP. Still though, /hi5 for Carbineers.

Message Edited by AdmiralSpy on 06-17-2004 10:42 PM



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TAfirehawk
Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:15 am
#16







Sivol wrote:

Why do you laugh at something you do not understand? What exactly is a Carbineer made for? KD/posture changesand massive states, not to kill someone with your weapon, and ill raise the BS flag if you think you can run around and kill someone that is prepared to fight and kill them from health or action pool. (lets hope this changes in patch 11). TAFirehawk, ever hear of Havla? Theres a reason behind a template. Lots of uber skill attachments can make up for non masters, but of course we will always have an advantage.


One last thing, do you think Kutch with that templete is using a damaged sliced Carbine? If you said yes, stop reading and go back and look up Havla on the Chef forum, then to the CM forum and read the many posts about that food + CM. A 1.5-2 speed carbine does wonders to KD and fill up with dizzy. Carbine damage is not what we are after. Groups and petsflopping around like fish while a 1200 tick poison destroys there mind pool. Welcome to pvp of today. Not here to flame, here to explain.







We already know what PvP is today, for the elite fighters the only big part out of balance is the COMBAT MEDIC and ARMOR....



My comment to Kutch was about him saying he fired his Carbine FAST, not that he doesn't pwn PvP.....for now.....



Message Edited by TAfirehawk on 06-21-2004 09:10 AM



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Rorenikibi
Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:41 am
#17






TAfirehawk wrote:

My comment to Kutch was about him saying he fired his Carbine FAST, not that he doesn't pwn PvP.....for now.....



Message Edited by TAfirehawk on 06-18-2004 09:17 AM






My question would be what kind of carbine and what's the speed on it?


If he's got an ungodly fast carbine with a speed power up, all he need it to do are apply states and KDs on his targets while the poison ticks. He doesn't need the kind of punch that we as full bore Carbineers do because his Combat Medic skills cover for that. He just needs to hold them off and finish them.





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Sivol
Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:10 pm
#18

end

Message Edited by Sivol on 06-18-2004 09:00 PM



Erok - Carbineer Extrodinaire
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Knightcrest
Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:07 pm
#19


If you don't like the way things are going... don't bump the post. TA knows his stuff as I have also tested a lot of the stats etc.


Now, if your combatants are flopping around then they have no clue of PvP and you discredit yourselfby not knowing what Thakitillo is and the inability to have a kd land at the moment because of the strength of melee templates. KD is not the endgame. Dizzy/KD is not the endgame. Posture changes are our best tool, but there are so many different ways to use them that you really need to think to be good at this prof. I'll be damned beforeI sit by idely and watch someone flame a very positive contributer and hard core carbineer that knows his weaponwhilebeing insulted as if he were ignorant of the profession.


Yeah my registering to the forums would place me at a non elder status, but have been playing since launch to learn the game before I started spouting out about things I didn't like or be tainted by the forums. I have had a carb and a commando since I can remeber. I don't have issues... seems your hostility means you do not know your weapon thinking a rifleman is the key to PvP. Ever here of brandy, canape, musician buffs, a dancer, and oh well an effectiveness sliced stun helm? Your mind ain't gonna budge to being near critical with anything less than a CM.


My template...to get back to topic... should be gimped to all hell as bad as commandoes have it and carbineers have it. Why is it not? I don't spam, I use what I have, I know what the FotM's bring to the table, I know what I don't have.... they sure as hell ain't a spider clan elder with prot's. They will drop if you know what you are doing. Fencer schmencer... well, use your tools. May not be a fast headshot spam, but they gonna drop if you use your terrain and your head and what the dev's gave you. If you want an easy template, you know what forums to look at. If you want a good versatile one... well get off the people that are doing their damndest to help Nova make this a better profession.


Sorry to all who read this, but I am sick of the negativity people are spewing when they do not have an "I win button" and choose to carry it over to those trying to mold this game into something it can be.


/bow4

Message Edited by Knightcrest on 06-18-2004 07:17 PM



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Sivol
Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:32 pm
#20

boom

Message Edited by Sivol on 06-18-2004 09:01 PM



Erok - Carbineer Extrodinaire
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AlrightyThen
Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:39 pm
#21



EisMan_Buckeye wrote:
LMAO. At that speed, you can shoot, put your weapon down, go have dinner, and be back before the next shot is reloaded and ready to go.





Its called a DH17 Carbine Speed Sliced with a power up, 1.0 Speed. That or theres a wonderful thing called skill attatchments that you can place on armor or clothing, once you add them you can get +Carbine speed e.g . my buddy has a +17 speed shirt, that is faster then 4xxx on carbines. If anyone is retarded or should be laughed at Mr. "EisMan_Buckeye" that person would be you.



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Sivol
Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:44 pm
#22


This is the end, my only friend the end....

Message Edited by Sivol on 06-18-2004 09:03 PM



Erok - Carbineer Extrodinaire
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Sivol
Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:43 pm
#23

Ok so that last post was not the end. I will say one thing. Im proud as hell to have the title Master Carbineer. I do now we are broken (but damnit I make the things work that are given to me) and hope things will eventually get fixed. I have high hopes Nova will bring us to the promise land. I will never down talk our profession on how we suck, or anything of that matter. With everything given to you ingame, you can make Carbineer a very effective pvp class. And if you think other wise, come visit me on Bloodfin. Im just sick and tired of all this 'i got pwned by such and such class' or 'we suck at pvp'. Are we not the thinking man's class? I think some of us forget to use all the tools available. So your a hybrid, whats the big deal?Apperently its a HUGE deal.


Now im done with this post, it can fall to its death.



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EisMan_Buckeye
Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:56 pm
#24






AlrightyThen wrote:





EisMan_Buckeye wrote:

LMAO. At that speed, you can shoot, put your weapon down, go have dinner, and be back before the next shot is reloaded and ready to go.







Its called a DH17 Carbine Speed Sliced with a power up, 1.0 Speed. That or theres a wonderful thing called skill attatchments that you can place on armor or clothing, once you add them you can get +Carbine speed e.g . my buddy has a +17 speed shirt, that is faster then 4xxx on carbines. If anyone is retarded or should be laughed at Mr. "EisMan_Buckeye" that person would be you.






First of all, where in the hell do you get off assuming I was laughing AT anyone? Also, where in the hell do you get off putting words such as "retarded" in my mouth? I was laughing at a joke that TA made about the lack of speed we ALL have as carbineers, regardless of level. I am a master, and even with my +85 speed, I still have to worry about weapon speed.


Secondly, if you think that I do not understand how reload speed works in this game, you are sadly mistaken my friend. I think my reputation around here more than demonstrates my capacity for understanding how speed works.


Thirdly, if you think that you can kill anyone with a DH17 in PvP that is even HALF prepared, go try it and let me know how it goes. 8 times out of 10, you'll end up in the cloner.


Fourthly, yes I am quite aware of SAs. In total, I have +92 in carbine speed AAs (and yes, I know there is a cap at +25, I have them on various combinations of armor I use).


Fifthly , a novice carbineer with +17 in carbine speed is NOT faster than 4xxx carbineer. The last time I checked, +50 was faster than +47.


Well, this thirdly, fourthly, fifthly crap is getting out of hand lol, I better stop while I'm ahead, and save you SOME dignity. So, the next time you decide to come in here andthink that you can get away withattacking me for a post that YOU took out of context, think again. You are nothing but a troll that TRIED to make me look like a moron,and did nothing but succeed in making yourself look like one.


P.S. The next time you try to call someone retarded, it might be a good idea to at least check the spelling in your post. It is usually not in your best interest to have a lesser understanding of this language we call English than theguy you are accusing of being retarded.




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Mercenaries do it for money
[Master of Carbines] [Retired Mercenary]
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AlrightyThen
Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:15 am
#25



EisMan_Buckeye wrote:


AlrightyThen wrote:


EisMan_Buckeye wrote:
LMAO. At that speed, you can shoot, put your weapon down, go have dinner, and be back before the next shot is reloaded and ready to go.





Its called a DH17 Carbine Speed Sliced with a power up, 1.0 Speed. That or theres a wonderful thing called skill attatchments that you can place on armor or clothing, once you add them you can get +Carbine speed e.g . my buddy has a +17 speed shirt, that is faster then 4xxx on carbines. If anyone is retarded or should be laughed at Mr. "EisMan_Buckeye" that person would be you.


First of all, where in the hell do you get off assuming I was laughing AT anyone? Also, where in the hell do you get off putting words such as "retarded" in my mouth? I was laughing at a joke that TA made about the lack of speed we ALL have as carbineers, regardless of level. I am a master, and even with my +85 speed, I still have to worry about weapon speed.

Secondly, if you think that I do not understand how reload speed works in this game, you are sadly mistaken my friend. I think my reputation around here more than demonstrates my capacity for understanding how speed works.

Thirdly, if you think that you can kill anyone with a DH17 in PvP that is even HALF prepared, go try it and let me know how it goes. 8 times out of 10, you'll end up in the cloner.

Fourthly, yes I am quite aware of SAs. In total, I have +92 in carbine speed AAs (and yes, I know there is a cap at +25, I have them on various combinations of armor I use).

Fifthly , a novice carbineer with +17 in carbine speed is NOT faster than 4xxx carbineer. The last time I checked, +50 was faster than +47.

Well, this thirdly, fourthly, fifthly crap is getting out of hand lol, I better stop while I'm ahead, and save you SOME dignity. So, the next time you decide to come in here and think that you can get away with attacking me for a post that YOU took out of context, think again. You are nothing but a troll that TRIED to make me look like a moron, and did nothing but succeed in making yourself look like one.

P.S. The next time you try to call someone retarded, it might be a good idea to at least check the spelling in your post. It is usually not in your best interest to have a lesser understanding of this language we call English than the guy you are accusing of being retarded.




LOL



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Andriko
Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:30 pm
#26

I haven't finished my template as I'm still hologrinding at the moment, but when that is done (one way or the other) I'll be Master Carbineer/Master Fencer. I love the ranged states and KD, and with my acklay stun baton, I should come out on the upper hand of most skirmishes. I find Carbineer to be a really nice support PvP profession if you're working with a bunch of melee teammates, as you can dizzy/KD the people they're chasing around




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