Carbineer Archive
Thread: PvP Template?
I love that template. Ridiculous defenses. But, anymore, just a regular old master rifle/master doc is excellentand master rifles/master combat medic is still a great combo also. Master rifles/combat medic has to be grouped as you die faster than anything if a meleer gets close, but your offense is off the charts, even with poison disease resist buffs. The other day I had +207 poison/disease resist buffs, I had my pvp armor on (+15 poison resist, +17 disease resist) and I still had poison applied andstrengthened on me within about 10 seconds of getting within range of a combat medic. You can also do a mix of doc/cm with rifles, 4030 doc and 4004 combat medic is pretty powerful. Heal all states/poisons/diseases instantly, apply nasty single target poisons/diseases, and headshot3 combined.
EvilTwilek wrote:
cherryred wrote:
master rifle
4400 fencer
0040 pistoleer
4300 tka
novice medic
Nice variation is also:
master rifle
4400 fencer
0040 pistoleer
4003 tka
novice medic
THis one was mine well before people thought rifles were anygood.
TAfirehawk wrote:
DaShwartz wrote:
-Freedman- wrote:
I was wondering if Carbineer was any good in PvP? If so what would be a good template to do?what what what!!! any good!!! you better run son!!
Carbineer is one of the most elite of elite classes for PvP... but nobody knows how to use it because they lack the brain power to use multiple attacks to wear down your opponent... for a carbineer there is no *mash f5 totally pwnzored* button
im gonna make a thread for PvP goodness so just stick around and ill teach you my young padawan
Not really, I laugh at ANY BH or Carbineer that trys to take on my Defense Stacker....Carbineer doesn't have the damage output necessary to touch me thru armor/buffs/food/PSG and I have proven that many times with BH's. Hell I even beat a buffed BH when I was unbuffed
The only way I win is with a KD/PD/Dizzy and/or 283 tick Action Poison EE3.
So a question, are you going to run for coresspondent of Combat medic? you already have a carbine that turns you into a CM.
Message Edited by Blamj on 11-05-2004 08:05 PM
TAfirehawk wrote:
DaShwartz wrote:
-Freedman- wrote:
I was wondering if Carbineer was any good in PvP? If so what would be a good template to do?what what what!!! any good!!! you better run son!!
Carbineer is one of the most elite of elite classes for PvP... but nobody knows how to use it because they lack the brain power to use multiple attacks to wear down your opponent... for a carbineer there is no *mash f5 totally pwnzored* button
im gonna make a thread for PvP goodness so just stick around and ill teach you my young padawan
Not really, I laugh at ANY BH or Carbineer that trys to take on my Defense Stacker....Carbineer doesn't have the damage output necessary to touch me thru armor/buffs/food/PSG and I have proven that many times with BH's. Hell I even beat a buffed BH when I was unbuffed
The only way I win is with a KD/PD/Dizzy and/or 283 tick Action Poison EE3.
Just wondering, did you just flame carbineers?
And for the original poster, im a Master Carbineer, Bh 0/4/0/0, Swordsman 0/0/1/0 (capping on counterattack), and medic 2/0/0/0, and I took on a fully buffed and armored tkm yesterday, took out half of their mind before I died. But you should specify what you would want in general ( as in heal states, high defenses, alot offensive power ) and build off of there.
blackgunz wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
Not really, I laugh at ANY BH or Carbineer that trys to take on my Defense Stacker....Carbineer doesn't have the damage output necessary to touch me thru armor/buffs/food/PSG and I have proven that many times with BH's. Hell I even beat a buffed BH when I was unbuffed
The only way I win is with a KD/PD/Dizzy and/or 283 tick Action Poison EE3.
Just wondering, did you just flame carbineers?
And for the original poster, im a Master Carbineer, Bh 0/4/0/0, Swordsman 0/0/1/0 (capping on counterattack), and medic 2/0/0/0, and I took on a fully buffed and armored tkm yesterday, took out half of their mind before I died. But you should specify what you would want in general ( as in heal states, high defenses, alot offensive power ) and build off of there.
Na, he doesn't flame Carbineers.. he's our Correspondant, heh. He's just pointing out that we have some serious issues when it comes to PvP, and that our only offense against hard-stackers is defenses of our own (requires dropping the BH line, which presents another speed/accuracy problem) or to use DoTs.
PvPis now ALL about defenses and DoTs - like it or not, that's the way it is. Carbineers don't fit very well into this scheme, unless they sport killer krayt weapons or DoT Carbines as well.
A simple Master Carbineer with a standard stocked Laser Carbine has no chance of winning against *any* other base profession - TKs by themselves barely require anyhelp toprep for PvP,and as you just proved, even with good equipment and a BH/Carbine template, you lost.
Our utter lack of significant damage in PvP due to our weapons' resistances and speeds makes us the underdog of *all* combat professions - that's a fact. 
It's why we spend so much time exchanging information here.. every little bit helps.
Firehawk also pointed out that a defense-stacked Carbineer will win over an offensive (BH) Carbineer.. any day, any time, any place. There's just not enoughspeed or accuracy or damagein the Carbineer and BH professions that can match 80-100 state defenses and near-capped Ranged and Melee defense. I haven't lost to a fellow Carbineer as well - I seem to be the only defensed-stacked one on my server.
So what does this all mean? We need more defenses, and more DPS (damage per second). Increasing the AP of weapons or increasing our base speed, or adjusting armor and buffs to help us is one way to do the latter.. adding state defenses to our trees can address the former.
Message Edited by AdmiralSpy on 11-06-2004 01:29 PM
AdmiralSpy wrote:
blackgunz wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:Not really, I laugh at ANY BH or Carbineer that trys to take on my Defense Stacker....Carbineer doesn't have the damage output necessary to touch me thru armor/buffs/food/PSG and I have proven that many times with BH's. Hell I even beat a buffed BH when I was unbuffed
The only way I win is with a KD/PD/Dizzy and/or 283 tick Action Poison EE3.
Just wondering, did you just flame carbineers?
And for the original poster, im a Master Carbineer, Bh 0/4/0/0, Swordsman 0/0/1/0 (capping on counterattack), and medic 2/0/0/0, and I took on a fully buffed and armored tkm yesterday, took out half of their mind before I died. But you should specify what you would want in general ( as in heal states, high defenses, alot offensive power ) and build off of there.Na, he doesn't flame Carbineers.. he's our Correspondant, heh. He's just pointing out that we have some serious issues when it comes to PvP, and that our only offense against hard-stackers is defenses of our own (requires dropping the BH line, which presents another speed/accuracy problem) or to use DoTs.
PvP is now ALL about defenses and DoTs - like it or not, that's the way it is. Carbineers don't fit very well into this scheme, unless they sport killer krayt weapons or DoT Carbines as well.
A simple Master Carbineer with a standard stocked Laser Carbine has no chance of winning against *any* other base profession - TKs by themselves barely require any help to prep for PvP, and as you just proved, even with good equipment and a BH/Carbine template, you lost.
Our utter lack of significant damage in PvP due to our weapons' resistances and speeds makes us the underdog of *all* combat professions - that's a fact.
Firehawk also pointed out that a defense-stacked Carbineer will win over an offensive (BH) Carbineer.. any day, any time, any place. There's just not enough speed or accuracy or damage in the Carbineer and BH professions that can match 80-100 state defenses and near-capped Ranged and Melee defense. I haven't lost to a fellow Carbineer as well - I seem to be the only defensed-stacked one on my server.
So what does this all mean? We need more defenses, and more DPS (damage per second). Increasing the AP of weapons or increasing our base speed, or adjusting armor and buffs to help us is one way to do the latter.. adding state defenses to our trees can address the former.
Message Edited by AdmiralSpy on 11-06-2004 01:29 PM
Ahhh, I see, thank you for clairfying that
Basicly I would have 25 skill points to spend after Master Carbineer, BH 34xx and Combat Prowess Master and Enhanced Reflexes 4x4x. I would like to have some more states defense and melee defense, so I saw this template might be nice. Now it's your turn to tell what you think?
Blamj wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
DaShwartz wrote:
-Freedman- wrote:
I was wondering if Carbineer was any good in PvP? If so what would be a good template to do?
what what what!!! any good!!! you better run son!!
Carbineer is one of the most elite of elite classes for PvP... but nobody knows how to use it because they lack the brain power to use multiple attacks to wear down your opponent... for a carbineer there is no *mash f5 totally pwnzored* button
im gonna make a thread for PvP goodness so just stick around and ill teach you my young padawan
Not really, I laugh at ANY BH or Carbineer that trys to take on my Defense Stacker....Carbineer doesn't have the damage output necessary to touch me thru armor/buffs/food/PSG and I have proven that many times with BH's. Hell I even beat a buffed BH when I was unbuffed
The only way I win is with a KD/PD/Dizzy and/or 283 tick Action Poison EE3.
So a question, are you going to run for coresspondent of Combat medic? you already have a carbine that turns you into a CM.
Message Edited by Blamj on 11-05-2004 08:05 PM
LOL!!!!
Dude, a 283 is a POS if you're a CM, no matter whatpoolit targets.
Then again, Bria has such a huge population it won't have ANYTHING good for people like you, who spend 3/4 of their day trowling the forums.
I guess you shouldgetyour head checkedif you're calling TA'spoison a CM poison.
Message Edited by Feyrbrand on 11-07-2004 04:30 PM
Message Edited by Feyrbrand on 11-07-2004 04:39 PM
Adval wrote:
I'll just post this here instead of making another thread. I'm intending to start PVP and was wondering if Master Carbineer, BH x4xx and Pistoleer xx41 + Combat Prowess Master & Enhanced Reflexes Ranged Defense was any good as a support/assault template?
Message Edited by AdmiralSpy on 11-07-2004 03:27 PM
Thanks for the reply and advice, but need to say that PVP is atm just a little feature in my play, never really PVPed beforeand my ultimate goal is to get Jedi as soon as possible. Atm I have unlocked Melee Accuracy, Vehicular Control and Ranged Speed. Didn't really think of PVP while choosing the branches...
AdmiralSpy wrote:
Adval wrote:
I'll just post this here instead of making another thread. I'm intending to start PVP and was wondering if Master Carbineer, BH x4xx and Pistoleer xx41 + Combat Prowess Master & Enhanced Reflexes Ranged Defense was any good as a support/assault template?
For a BH/Carbine template, it looks good. You don't need the Melee Speed nor Accuracy in Combat Prowess, so don't bother getting those. You also don't need Ranged Speed in Combat Prowess, as it is currently bugged (and even so, you're easily speed-capped.) Prowess 4000 is therefore more than enough.
I intend to get Prowess Master because that way I don't need to bypass one phase. And with it Ranged Defense and might even have the patience to wait to get the Melee Defense as well. Leaving Melee Speed to be I would have to wait the entire next Phase 2 to get to Phase 3.
and the smarts to know how to adapt to different opponents....and yes i use DOTs, i usually kd dizzy stun and state with carbines then get out my 225 str action fire and then double stack action poisons and they dont survive for long... also i can clear my own stun etc and use steady aim which helps a loooot on jedi rofl...