Carbineer Archive
Thread: Carbines not popular?
FantasticPlastic
Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:22 pm
#14
Kinda weird to hear this coming from the Carbineer Correspondent. I have picked up Carbineer in the CU so I am fairly new to it, but I'm loving it, and it's honestly my favorite profession in the new system. I am Master Carbineer/Master Pistoleer/Master Marksman with a bit of Rifleman as well.
I didn't realize Suppression Fire wasn't snaring but I agree that would be good if it was fixed. Still, isn't Leg Shot one of the most damaging Special Attacks? In the testing I did, it exceeded Lethal Shot, Head Shot and Body Shot.
And Charge Shot is extremely useful in PVP, as is Full Auto Area.
I find Carbineer (mixed with Pistoleer for Stopping Shot) to be an excellent Crowd Control profession in PVP.
Currently my two main quibbles with the system as-is are the high Action costs for everything, and the lack of profession certifications for any weapon. I only dabble in Rifleman but it's far more effective to use a T21 or Advanced Laser, which I can do easily because I am above Level 54.
Under the latest changes, anybody of any profession over Level 54 can use a T21, a DL44 XT, a DE-10, etc, and I find that a bit TOO general for my tastes. I really *want* to use the E11 Mark 2 Carbine or a good pistol like a DL44 XT. I want to be a Carbineer/Pistoleer, not a Carbineer/Pistoleer who uses a Rifle.
Basically, the profession itself seems great to me.
O.
I didn't realize Suppression Fire wasn't snaring but I agree that would be good if it was fixed. Still, isn't Leg Shot one of the most damaging Special Attacks? In the testing I did, it exceeded Lethal Shot, Head Shot and Body Shot.
And Charge Shot is extremely useful in PVP, as is Full Auto Area.
I find Carbineer (mixed with Pistoleer for Stopping Shot) to be an excellent Crowd Control profession in PVP.
Currently my two main quibbles with the system as-is are the high Action costs for everything, and the lack of profession certifications for any weapon. I only dabble in Rifleman but it's far more effective to use a T21 or Advanced Laser, which I can do easily because I am above Level 54.
Under the latest changes, anybody of any profession over Level 54 can use a T21, a DL44 XT, a DE-10, etc, and I find that a bit TOO general for my tastes. I really *want* to use the E11 Mark 2 Carbine or a good pistol like a DL44 XT. I want to be a Carbineer/Pistoleer, not a Carbineer/Pistoleer who uses a Rifle.
Basically, the profession itself seems great to me.
O.
TAfirehawk
Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:30 pm
#15
FantasticPlastic wrote:
Kinda weird to hear this coming from the Carbineer Correspondent. I have picked up Carbineer in the CU so I am fairly new to it, but I'm loving it, and it's honestly my favorite profession in the new system. I am Master Carbineer/Master Pistoleer/Master Marksman with a bit of Rifleman as well.
I didn't realize Suppression Fire wasn't snaring but I agree that would be good if it was fixed. Still, isn't Leg Shot one of the most damaging Special Attacks? In the testing I did, it exceeded Lethal Shot, Head Shot and Body Shot.
And Charge Shot is extremely useful in PVP, as is Full Auto Area.
I find Carbineer (mixed with Pistoleer for Stopping Shot) to be an excellent Crowd Control profession in PVP.
Currently my two main quibbles with the system as-is are the high Action costs for everything, and the lack of profession certifications for any weapon. I only dabble in Rifleman but it's far more effective to use a T21 or Advanced Laser, which I can do easily because I am above Level 54.
Under the latest changes, anybody of any profession over Level 54 can use a T21, a DL44 XT, a DE-10, etc, and I find that a bit TOO general for my tastes. I really *want* to use the E11 Mark 2 Carbine or a good pistol like a DL44 XT. I want to be a Carbineer/Pistoleer, not a Carbineer/Pistoleer who uses a Rifle.
Basically, the profession itself seems great to me.
O.
LegShot was nerfed already, Suppression Fire NEVER fixed, and ChargeShot is easily countered in a second or two with KD Recovery.
Nothing in Carbineer does ANY Crowd Control.....sure we can control a single target, but that is not a CROWD. And even with your template and specific statement you are using weapons/specials from other profs, not Carbineer.
Finally, why in the world wouldn't you expect to hear an honest assessment from me, a Corr? I complain/rant about SOE more than most here, they don't pay me....I am just a fellow gamer like you. Most profs are turned to crap right now and I can't find one worse than Carbineer....BUT the promise of what Carbineer COULD BE is pretty sweet and what most of us have held on to for 2 years.....
TheHunterik
Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:40 pm
#16
Well it really seems we will have to wait *for a while* yet. I hope that we will be able to *control* at least our own guns... But maybe we are mistaken and the CU will bring us nice surprise in the form of complete, tested and functional profesion that can stand against at least *crowd* of rats around Mos eisly 
Psydrone
Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:09 pm
#17
Well, I never duel with armour so I suppose doing damage like that might be the result of something along the lines you mentioned
TAfirehawk wrote:
Psydrone wrote:
Well, I can't say where all the negativity comes from, but as it is and NOT in the CU, my Laser 129-615 2.5 speed can chew through most buffed HAMs in a matter of seconds after a KD and some Crippling Shots. I have two master level Elite Carbines specifically for the CU so I think that their damage dealing ability is going to be brought down, the only thing that hurts carbs atm and needs to be fixed is, as said above, their defense. If they could stand in a fight against some of that melee kd crap for just a few more prolonged seconds, I think we'd see that they are the prevalent prof in most all around situations.
I have a Laser like that and it only hurts the n00bs with no PSG or crap armor.....most people it won't even dent.....
If you can KD a person in PvP, well that person is a n00b is the general rule......and don't mark that up as a win
But its a fun profession, and all things put aside as long as its fun its worth it. I agree it could use some work however, too many busted specials etc. I'm thinkin it looks pretty good in the CU however so I'm not extremely worried.
FantasticPlastic
Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:26 pm
#18
I didn't say I wouldn't expect to hear something honest. *shrug* You can think what you like. I am loving the heck out of Carbineer, and whether you think they're nerfed or useless or not, I am actually getting a lot of good use out of Leg Shot and Charge Shot in PVP every day. Time will tell if that remains true on Live but I am looking forward to finding out.
In fact I dropped the Rifleman from my template in exchange for Medic, so now it's actually more effective for me to use a Carbine.
And the fact that I'm using specials from other professions. Well, um... sue me but I think it's useful to use commands that are effective. I use /bactaShot from Medic, does that mean my experience with Carbineer does not mean anything? If I want to Intimdiate somebody, Root somebody or if I want to get a benefit from using a Pistol, it makes sense to me to take Pistoleer.
Right now I'm Master Carbineer/Master Pistoleer/Master Marksman/Medic 0440. For the most part the weapon I use is an E11 Mk 2 carbine, but I also have a DL44 XT (and will be looking to get both of those in Live). With it I use Charge Shot, Leg shot, Full Auto Area, Crippling Shot, as well as Stopping Shot, Intimidate Shot, and Fan Shot.
Sounds to me like you're basically just a big whiner who can't let go of the past and actually evaluate these things on their own merits. I could be completely wrong, Carbineer and every other profession are absolutely worthless and all this fun I have been having playing them is completely imaginary. We'll see.
O.
In fact I dropped the Rifleman from my template in exchange for Medic, so now it's actually more effective for me to use a Carbine.
And the fact that I'm using specials from other professions. Well, um... sue me but I think it's useful to use commands that are effective. I use /bactaShot from Medic, does that mean my experience with Carbineer does not mean anything? If I want to Intimdiate somebody, Root somebody or if I want to get a benefit from using a Pistol, it makes sense to me to take Pistoleer.
Right now I'm Master Carbineer/Master Pistoleer/Master Marksman/Medic 0440. For the most part the weapon I use is an E11 Mk 2 carbine, but I also have a DL44 XT (and will be looking to get both of those in Live). With it I use Charge Shot, Leg shot, Full Auto Area, Crippling Shot, as well as Stopping Shot, Intimidate Shot, and Fan Shot.
Sounds to me like you're basically just a big whiner who can't let go of the past and actually evaluate these things on their own merits. I could be completely wrong, Carbineer and every other profession are absolutely worthless and all this fun I have been having playing them is completely imaginary. We'll see.
O.
Auraboron
Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:35 pm
#19
TAfirehawk wrote:
Most profs are turned to crap right now and I can't find one worse than Carbineer....
Apparently you haven't tested pure Squad Leader. 
TAfirehawk
Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:50 pm
#20
FantasticPlastic wrote:
Sounds to me like you're basically just a big whiner who can't let go of the past and actually evaluate these things on their own merits. I could be completely wrong, Carbineer and every other profession are absolutely worthless and all this fun I have been having playing them is completely imaginary. We'll see.
O.
No, you need to go read the Description and Primary/Secondary Roles of Carbineer in the CU Docs and tell me how we fit that profile....
Answer it for yourself or post it here, but it will become clear we are nothing but a '50m limited' Rifleman right now with ZERO distinction. The accusation of me being a whiner is one of the most laughable posts I have ever seen in this forum....if it wasn't so ridiculous I would have your post removed ROFLMAO
Please don't pretend to know me or my attitude in this forum.....you will not win the insult and accusation war that will result....just ask around, I carry abigass FLAMER
Of course Carbineer can be fun, but if you would step out for just a minute and test something else you would find Carbineer serves little to no advantage over a Rifleman or Pistoleer. This is my complaint along with the utter refusal of the Devs to rebuild Carbineer in THEIR OWNMODEL from the CU Docs.
There are many deeper levels which I work on for the entire Carbineer Community than anything you have described in your assessment of Carbineer post-CU....I am glad you are having fun with Carbineer but the laundry list of issues/problems is HUGE.
TAfirehawk
Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:51 pm
#21
Auraboron wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
Most profs are turned to crap right now and I can't find one worse than Carbineer....
Apparently you haven't tested pure Squad Leader.
No I haven't but SL is a toolbox prof until it gets a revamp and shouldn't be played 'pure' in an offensive combat sense.....but I can't imagine it being much worse than a 'pure' Carbineer
RK-827
Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:59 pm
#22
You the man TA, I'd plop myself down on a virtual grenade for you any day of the week cause of yer effort 
Message Edited by RK-827 on 04-27-2005 07:59 PM
FantasticPlastic
Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:42 pm
#23
*chuckle* Oh I'm terrified, my post might get removed Still, the Correspondents are dropping like flies these days, aren't they?
Like I said, I could be mistaken and Carbineer and every other profession is horribly broken and worthless.
I'm going to be busy having a lot of fun, let me know if they get un-broken.
O.
Still, the Correspondents are dropping like flies these days, aren't they?Like I said, I could be mistaken and Carbineer and every other profession is horribly broken and worthless.
I'm going to be busy having a lot of fun, let me know if they get un-broken.
O.
Rebarty
Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:46 am
#24
As a Master Commando and keeping up on the CU in TC, Carbines work well for us. So you may see more M Com/M Carbs. Commandos no longer have our own specials we use other prof to do, Rifleman is not a good set, pistol is so so....but Carbines are just right for our ranges and what our weapons have as built in spls.
Genocide81
Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:19 pm
#25
lol been a master carbineer for two years...... we still suck post cu guess i'll go master BH/master commando
at least then i can be more useful with a carbine then an master carbineer =p
kinda sad also i sooo wanted to use the mark2 e-11 =/
although i dunno if i could give up master carbines ive had it this long
Veustuh
Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:43 pm
#26
Genocide81 wrote:
lol been a master carbineer for two years...... we still suck post cu guess i'll go master BH/master commando
at least then i can be more useful with a carbine then an master carbineer =p
kinda sad also i sooo wanted to use the mark2 e-11 =/
although i dunno if i could give up master carbines ive had it this long
On which account? Last I recall both sucked just as much though horse-cart doesn't seem to make public appearances like he once did.
If carbineer specials were fixed then I'd suspect more would migrate towards this profession. I picked up master just for the ST err.. Imperial Battle Armor certification and do like the idea of using area specials with a T21 again. The sad part is until they do finally fix the specials problems I'll pickup BH carbines just for a working area attack.