Carbineer Archive
Thread: Two things I'm hearing on this board that I have a bone to pick with...
TrassNimode wrote:
Alright, if you have come to rely on buffs, then something is wrong, very very wrong...If you rely completely on buffs, I don't see how you have any skill at all. Fighting buffed doesn't make you tough, playing un-buffed and actually having to use stratagys is where your skill lies.
As a BH Carbineer, my defense is that of a drawf nuna (baby). I need buffs to take more than 1-2 shots in PvP. Yes I can bring my HAMs down with ryshcake (at the expense of the mind boost from Glazed Glucose) or BoH (at the expense of the mind boost from Fishak). Both of these leave me with 500-800 less mind that I would normally. Mind is 90% of PvP incaps. So this is bad.
TrassNimode wrote:
2.) 'I use my Laser [Carbine] on armored opponents to punch right through the armor.'
You can use your AP weapons on unarmored opponents and still get the extra damage!
I'm guessing they meant they use the Laser in PvE (moreheavily armored targets), and something like an Elite or DXR-6 in PvP, because of damage mitigation.
Well I don't really agree with the "you're wrong, but don't bother to defend your opinion."
The simple thing is, buffs are better than no buffs, so I buff.
Relying on doc buffs is bad, but relying on food isn't? What about armor? Weapons? Skills? Where do you draw the line with this relying thing?
I'm going to get every advantage I can in PvP, and I don't think that makes me less skilled.
But I have heard people say they can not fight without buffs, at all. This is bad because buffs are not always readily availbe.
With food and armor, you'll have ahead of time, but buffs you can't just 'take' or 'equip'. Good point, none-the-less.
TrassNimode wrote:
Relying on buffs is a stupid thing and there are ways around the HAM costs. BoH and vercupti. Unbuffed, with a hit of BoH and a full suit of armor, I can spam about7 cripple shots (after a charge and confusion shot or two) until my ham has dropped to about half. Then heal with a stim B back to full health.
When your un-buffed, use a DH17 for the really low HAMs. Buffed, use whatever.
DH17+BoH=Spam whatever you want.
If you rely completely on buffs, I don't see how you have any skill at all. Fighting buffed doesn't make you tough, playing un-buffed and actually having to use stratagys is where your skill lies.
I'm a doctor, so buffs are always available to me. Frankly, if I'm going to go into a fight, I'm going to use every advantage available to me. Buffs, spice, food, armor, lucky charms, whatever.
What, should I be "tough" and forgo all that? Why don't you be "tough" and fight with a CDEF instead of a powered up Laser Carb? Frankly, I don't see how you have any skill at all.
BMGundam wrote:
If you're a master doc, it's ok to rely on your buffs since buffing is one of your skills. Why shouldn't you make full use of one of your skills? Saying you shouldn't rely on your buffs is kinda like telling a master rifleman/master Combat medic to not rely on advanced strafe (or whatever special you prefer), mind poisons/disease and go rely on unarmed hit 3.
If you're talking about non doctors relying on buffs then yeah, I think they're kinda lame.
So then because my PvP crew has a Doc just for buffing us, it makes us lame ? Grow up man, for real.
BMGundam wrote:
If you're talking about non doctors relying on buffs then yeah, I think they're kinda lame.
Why not? There are plenty of Master Docs on every server selling buffs. Just like there are plenty of Master Weaponsmiths selling carbines and Master Armorsmiths selling armor. Why not rely on something that's available to you and gives you an advantage in battle? People rely on each other in this game to get things done. If you can't find a doc, fine, maybe you have to play without buffs, but don't judge someone because a doc is available and that person chooses to get buffs every time. I mean, do you choose to forgo wound-healing or BF-healing because you're not a medic or entertainer?
"Yes, in the Army we have M1A2 tanks, but we find that's not particularly manly so we choose to fight with our bare hands."
What if buffs are NOT available? Do you NOT fight?
I agree that you want every advantage available, but DEPENDING on them, meaning you suck WITHOUT them is WRONG.
What if your overt and your buffs wear off? What if the GCW breaks out and your not buffed? Do you just chicken out and not fight? What kind of crap is that.
If you can be buffed, that's great, especially if you are a Doctor, and most Guilds have a doc or two to buff everyone on raids, but that doc isn't going to follow you around all day, I'm sure he has things to do.
My point was that if you DEPEND on them to fight, then something is wrong. Like I said before, of course you want every advantage available... but what if some of them aren't available? You don't fight because you have become DEPENDENT on buffs and are so used to fighting without them that you can't do jack? THAT is what I meant by something is wrong, if you can NOT fight without buffs.
Alright, what the heck are you talking about? Be tough and forget about all of your advantages? No, if they are available use them, of course. But it is wimpy to not fight simply because you are un-buffed.
And where do you come off talking about me having no skill? My personal skill was never mentioned at all, and I don't know how you will back that up or why you threw it in there.
I already told you that if you are a master doctor this doesn't apply to you, or did you not read the whole thread?
And I don't use a Laser Carbine, wise guy.
TrassNimode wrote:
'What, should I be "tough" and forgo all that? Why don't you be "tough" and fight with a CDEF instead of a powered up Laser Carb? Frankly, I don't see how you have any skill at all.'
Alright, what the heck are you talking about? Be tough and forget about all of your advantages? No, if they are available use them, of course. But it is wimpy to not fight simply because you are un-buffed.
And where do you come off talking about me having no skill? My personal skill was never mentioned at all, and I don't know how you will back that up or why you threw it in there.
I already told you that if you are a master doctor this doesn't apply to you, or did you not read the whole thread?
And I don't use a Laser Carbine, wise guy.
Sigh. I was mirroring your statement: "If you rely completely on buffs, I don't see how you have any skill at all."
I appreciate your statement that your complaint doesn't apply to docs, but the reality is that many people have become dependent on buffs.
Why? Because the wide availability and cheap price of buffs (often 6-10k, which is chump change for a 3hr buff), and the necessity of wearing armor in PvP (please don't argue with me on this point) has led people to migrate their HAMs and secondaries accordingly.
Before buffs became widespread, I regularly saw human players with 1000+ in their Health and Action. Most people I run into now keep their Health and Action in the 700-800s. Their Mind stats are generallypretty high too, in order to combat theRiflemanHeadshot or the BH Eyeshot.Which means that people have migrated their stats on the assumption that (1) they're going to be wearing a full suit of composite, and (2)they're going to get buffs before any major fight.
Which is not a bad assumption, considering that you can get buffs at Coronet or Theed pretty much any time (even at 4am, you'll find a Doctor selling buffs there).
So now people have only a few options:
1) They can migrate their stats like I mentioned above, which allows them to wear armor at all times. Unfortunately, this means that if they don't get buffs, their Health and Action is only at 700-800, and they'll die pretty quickly even with 80% composite. It also means their secondaries are shot while wearing armor, which means the HAM cost for specials is outrageous, and they have no regeneration.
They can take off the armor so their specials cost is better, but then they have to deal with 700-800 Health and Action with no armor, and sothey die even quicker.
2) They can bump their health and action up to 1100 or so. But that means their secondaries are so low they can't wear a full suit of composite (unless you'd rather spend millions getting the right encumbrance slices). So now they can go into battle with 1100 HAMS, but with no armor they'll die pretty quickly.
"And I don't use a Laser Carbine, wise guy."
Oh, okay. I just assumed you did since in your first post your entire point (2) is about the consistent AP advantage of the Laser, how "My point is, you are getting the extra AP damageeven if your opponent doesn't have armor," and how " [Y]ou should be using a Laser for PvE anyway." But if you don't even botheruse a Laser, I guess yourrant is worthless, just like the rest of your post.
I think people who depend on buffs have a problem, you guys don't.
This post has become a flame troll, so let it die.
If you're talking about non doctors relying on buffs then yeah, I think they're kinda lame.