Carbineer Archive
Thread: New Weapons Info from Tiggs TC5, E-11 love
HadesthePhantom
Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:05 am
#14
I love the new look of the carbs. That new e11 was a nice touch also.
Sifer2
Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:22 am
#15
TAfirehawk wrote:
Sifer2 wrote:
Yeah poor Carbineer has always been light on the weapons. At least we know they pretty much have to give us the damn Bothan an Geonosian Carbine at this point. I mean c'mon it would be nice to get at least one new weapon jeez. All I can say is I hope that Tafirehawkfights hard for the Underslung. That would be the ultimate Master weapon for us. Wont get it in the CU but it would be a nice treat later on.
Underslung is a long ways off because of the new animations.
We just got a new E11 and one of those you mention should be coming our way yes.
And I complained about weapon certs months ago......about all I can do, sorry asI don't make decisions on this stuff....
Only one eh? Then im guessing its probably the Geonosian to match Pistoleers. The Bothan will probably end up being a Novice BH cert. Guess it will be just like the old days. Grabbing the BH carbine line to be effective. LOL
Quandry
Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:29 pm
#16
I still fail to understand why carbineers have so many less weapons than both rifleman and pistoleer. What makes that a good idea? What resoning did they use when they put in new pistols and new rifles on a couple ocations and not a new carbine. It makes no sence to think the devs just hate carbineers.... But as a carbineer above all other skills from day one.. I do feal smited. All iv wanted is my skills as a carbineer to be comparable to other classes. Access to the most powerfull carbines i thought was a give in...
Im sure we will have a carbine to fit the basic requirements for a situation. I also presume our damage output will be comparable to other relitive classes (they cant possably skrew that up twice). Each weapon should in its own right have certan trates...diffrent ranges..damage types acc etc. The way the atributes in the revamp cancle each other out.. High def armor means you move slower. A mob that is say high in kin resist would be weak in energy etc. Taking that into account. When the pistoleer and rifleman come upon a mob and examin its weaknesses. They will have a couple weapons to choose from to attack that weakness. One could be slow and hard the other fast but weaker etc....But a choice none the less. When the carbineer examins the mob they say to themselves "well, guess i have to use this gun"....
Over all i do like where they are going in the cu....even though im getting skrewed prety bad on a few of my chars. The game will be much more fun and if loosing my stock of avian meat is what it takes to have a better game than ill live with that. Loosing my 12 point doc sute also angers me...but i can see their resoning behind the change. I do feal like i payed to play a beta for 2 years though....I thought my money was to ensure my game data did not get corrupted and that the servers would remain online....This revamp is everything except a char whipe wich is not what im paying for. But i like the game and ill live with it.
Just dont try to spin some "thank god the devs listened to us" bs. If they were paying attention when they came out with the geo pistol on live now the other geo weapons would have ben put in at the same time. We started out with less weapons. They then gave more to both rifles and pistols withought giving us any more than once. Never did we get a weapon with a compleatly new look and Never did we get a weapon withought both rifles and pistols getting at LEAST 1 more each. Even with the combat revamp we are not catching up. We are simply breaking even.
Im sure we will have a carbine to fit the basic requirements for a situation. I also presume our damage output will be comparable to other relitive classes (they cant possably skrew that up twice). Each weapon should in its own right have certan trates...diffrent ranges..damage types acc etc. The way the atributes in the revamp cancle each other out.. High def armor means you move slower. A mob that is say high in kin resist would be weak in energy etc. Taking that into account. When the pistoleer and rifleman come upon a mob and examin its weaknesses. They will have a couple weapons to choose from to attack that weakness. One could be slow and hard the other fast but weaker etc....But a choice none the less. When the carbineer examins the mob they say to themselves "well, guess i have to use this gun"....
Over all i do like where they are going in the cu....even though im getting skrewed prety bad on a few of my chars. The game will be much more fun and if loosing my stock of avian meat is what it takes to have a better game than ill live with that. Loosing my 12 point doc sute also angers me...but i can see their resoning behind the change. I do feal like i payed to play a beta for 2 years though....I thought my money was to ensure my game data did not get corrupted and that the servers would remain online....This revamp is everything except a char whipe wich is not what im paying for. But i like the game and ill live with it.
Just dont try to spin some "thank god the devs listened to us" bs. If they were paying attention when they came out with the geo pistol on live now the other geo weapons would have ben put in at the same time. We started out with less weapons. They then gave more to both rifles and pistols withought giving us any more than once. Never did we get a weapon with a compleatly new look and Never did we get a weapon withought both rifles and pistols getting at LEAST 1 more each. Even with the combat revamp we are not catching up. We are simply breaking even.
Sifer2
Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:37 pm
#17
Its true it really blows to see other professions not even Carbineers get most of the new Carbines. All I can say is the Devs better make the next few dungeons drop Carbine schematics an that's about it. They have some catching up to do. LOL
TAfirehawk
Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:10 pm
#18
How many different weapons do you folks want? I mean really how manyUBER Carbines can you use at once? How many do you want to carry and choose from in any given situation? All existing Carbines will have a specific and important use after the CU.....and all damage types are to be represented, 2 main and 4 elemental.
All your arguements for Carbineers getting all Carbines is childish, borish,illogicaland NOT going to happen. Deal with it or there is the door. I am not going to kiss everybody's butts here anymore on this subject.
Quandry
Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:32 pm
#19
Riflemen have:
Advanced Laser Rifle Certification Assault Bowcaster Certification
DLT20 Rifle Certification DLT20a Rifle Certification
E11 Rifle Certification Jawa Ion Rifle Certification
Laser Rifle Certification Recon Bowcaster Certification
SG82 Rifle Certification Spraystick Certification
T21 Rifle Certification Tusken Rifle Certification
Pistoleers have:
D18 Pistol Certification DH17 Pistol Certification
DL44 Pistol Certification DL44 XT Pistol Certification
DX2 Pistol Certification FWG5 Pistol Certification
Power5 Pistol Certification Republic Blaster Certification
Scout Blaster Certification SR Combat Pistol Certification
Striker Pistol Certification Tangle Pistol Certification
Carbineers have:
DH17 Carbine Certification DH17 Snubnose Carbine Certification
DXR6 Carbine Certification E11 Carbine Certification
E11 Mark 2 Carbine Certification EE3 Carbine Certification
Elite Carbine Certification Laser Carbine Certification
Slugthrower Certification
As of now off of the char builder i linked to from the other thread. Its not how many. This game has ben out for a wile...New stuff will alwase be comming out. In another 2 years we could have 30 carbines. Riflemen Pistoleers and Carbineers have the same nitch. We all perform diffrent roles but we are all specialised in our respective fields. Why would we not have an even selection of tools with wich to fill our duties?
What more do i want? Nothing more than the same as everyone els...Our lack of weapons is in part the reson for the revamp. No stun wich turns out is mandatory for pvp in the current system... The only damage selections we had were acid and energy effectively...that crappy heat gun i carried around is 15x older than my other weapons because it never gets used... Granted with the new system the concept leads us to not so much NEED the same number of weapons. But i do feal it would add a fair perspective of balance at least on a cosmetic level. Also and more important. Simply adding a couple more carbine certs amonkst our skill tree would by default give us more weapons deemed high end...or high skilled certs... This should logic dictate give better performance stats. So that when the time comes to choose a kinnetic damage weapon with a cold element....the one we have to choose might actualy have good stats more often.
As a side note...im glad i never liked the laser carbine. With its low level cert the weapons conversion will probably trash them. Unless it gets split into a basic and adv version.
Advanced Laser Rifle Certification Assault Bowcaster Certification
DLT20 Rifle Certification DLT20a Rifle Certification
E11 Rifle Certification Jawa Ion Rifle Certification
Laser Rifle Certification Recon Bowcaster Certification
SG82 Rifle Certification Spraystick Certification
T21 Rifle Certification Tusken Rifle Certification
Pistoleers have:
D18 Pistol Certification DH17 Pistol Certification
DL44 Pistol Certification DL44 XT Pistol Certification
DX2 Pistol Certification FWG5 Pistol Certification
Power5 Pistol Certification Republic Blaster Certification
Scout Blaster Certification SR Combat Pistol Certification
Striker Pistol Certification Tangle Pistol Certification
Carbineers have:
DH17 Carbine Certification DH17 Snubnose Carbine Certification
DXR6 Carbine Certification E11 Carbine Certification
E11 Mark 2 Carbine Certification EE3 Carbine Certification
Elite Carbine Certification Laser Carbine Certification
Slugthrower Certification
As of now off of the char builder i linked to from the other thread. Its not how many. This game has ben out for a wile...New stuff will alwase be comming out. In another 2 years we could have 30 carbines. Riflemen Pistoleers and Carbineers have the same nitch. We all perform diffrent roles but we are all specialised in our respective fields. Why would we not have an even selection of tools with wich to fill our duties?
What more do i want? Nothing more than the same as everyone els...Our lack of weapons is in part the reson for the revamp. No stun wich turns out is mandatory for pvp in the current system... The only damage selections we had were acid and energy effectively...that crappy heat gun i carried around is 15x older than my other weapons because it never gets used... Granted with the new system the concept leads us to not so much NEED the same number of weapons. But i do feal it would add a fair perspective of balance at least on a cosmetic level. Also and more important. Simply adding a couple more carbine certs amonkst our skill tree would by default give us more weapons deemed high end...or high skilled certs... This should logic dictate give better performance stats. So that when the time comes to choose a kinnetic damage weapon with a cold element....the one we have to choose might actualy have good stats more often.
As a side note...im glad i never liked the laser carbine. With its low level cert the weapons conversion will probably trash them. Unless it gets split into a basic and adv version.
Message Edited by Quandry on 04-08-2005 07:34 PM
Bucke-Thead
Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:32 pm
#20
I'm just happy that my Post-CU BH/Carbineer will be able to wear good stormtrooper armour and carry a nasty E11 Carbine.
Seems like Galaxies is finally evolving into a StarWars game
Seems like Galaxies is finally evolving into a StarWars game
evil-bountyhunter
Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:31 pm
#21
Bucke-Thead wrote:
I'm just happy that my Post-CU BH/Carbineer will be able to wear good stormtrooper armour and carry a nasty E11 Carbine.
Seems like Galaxies is finally evolving into a StarWars game
if any one if left posu cu /cry
Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:34 pm
#22
TAfirehawk wrote:How many different weapons do you folks want? I mean really how many UBER Carbines can you use at once? How many do you want to carry and choose from in any given situation? All existing Carbines will have a specific and important use after the CU.....and all damage types are to be represented, 2 main and 4 elemental.All your arguements for Carbineers getting all Carbines is childish, borish, illogical and NOT going to happen. Deal with it or there is the door. I am not going to kiss everybody's butts here anymore on this subject.
I think it's mainly a question about looks, wanting to get a large choice of carbines to match your desired look. And about not feeling left behind. We had a great revamp that fixed all our specials except IIRC Leg Shot 3. But every time new goodies came in the form of new weapons the carbineers were left without. And when something was published it was inane like the bleeding E11 or even worse, the Lithium Carbine (no cert, impossible to get, looks like another E11 and no exciting stats).
At the same time Riflemen and pistoleers got great new weapons which all outpreformed our own.
Add to that the we were the only profession in game who couldn't reach speedcap even with +25. (ie we were probably the only profession where speed worked as intended)
It has bred a lot of bitterness and resentment.
Then there was the .tre files that came in publish 10.
Drokkloads of carbines that promised sweet days, but no word if they would ever come real.
Now that the Combat Upgrade promises new carbines, but keeps doing so rather vaguely (the only carbines that have been even tentativly certed are the one we don't get, and they represent half of the revealed carbines).
So of course a lot of the carbineers feel cheated by the devs. And unfortunately and rather unfairly you get to face the larger part of that resentment, mainly because we know you, we think highly of you and we don't know where else to turn.
Even so, I hope the debate about carbines cools of a bit in here. If you guys feel cheated /bug it, put it in the focus threads report it in the report application. Don't bother TA with it, and don't rant about it in this forum. Rants here doesn't solve anything. It's right up there on the list of solving things after "dressing up in a chicken suit and hanging arround the local mall parking lot after midnight".
Well, that's my opinion anyway.
Confusion12345
Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:54 pm
#23
TAfirehawk wrote:
How many different weapons do you folks want? I mean really how manyUBER Carbines can you use at once? How many do you want to carry and choose from in any given situation? All existing Carbines will have a specific and important use after the CU.....and all damage types are to be represented, 2 main and 4 elemental.
All your arguements for Carbineers getting all Carbines is childish, borish,illogicaland NOT going to happen. Deal with it or there is the door. I am not going to kiss everybody's butts here anymore on this subject.
Aww 
*pulls pants up and walks away with a frown*
Cpl_Fisher
Sat Apr 09, 2005 8:20 am
#24
That works... I PROMISE
Mild-Breeze-Trooper wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
How many different weapons do you folks want? I mean really how many UBER Carbines can you use at once? How many do you want to carry and choose from in any given situation? All existing Carbines will have a specific and important use after the CU.....and all damage types are to be represented, 2 main and 4 elemental.
All your arguements for Carbineers getting all Carbines is childish, borish, illogical and NOT going to happen. Deal with it or there is the door. I am not going to kiss everybody's butts here anymore on this subject.
I think it's mainly a question about looks, wanting to get a large choice of carbines to match your desired look. And about not feeling left behind. We had a great revamp that fixed all our specials except IIRC Leg Shot 3. But every time new goodies came in the form of new weapons the carbineers were left without. And when something was published it was inane like the bleeding E11 or even worse, the Lithium Carbine (no cert, impossible to get, looks like another E11 and no exciting stats).
At the same time Riflemen and pistoleers got great new weapons which all outpreformed our own.
Add to that the we were the only profession in game who couldn't reach speedcap even with +25. (ie we were probably the only profession where speed worked as intended)
It has bred a lot of bitterness and resentment.
Then there was the .tre files that came in publish 10.
Drokkloads of carbines that promised sweet days, but no word if they would ever come real.
Now that the Combat Upgrade promises new carbines, but keeps doing so rather vaguely (the only carbines that have been even tentativly certed are the one we don't get, and they represent half of the revealed carbines).
So of course a lot of the carbineers feel cheated by the devs. And unfortunately and rather unfairly you get to face the larger part of that resentment, mainly because we know you, we think highly of you and we don't know where else to turn.
Even so, I hope the debate about carbines cools of a bit in here. If you guys feel cheated /bug it, put it in the focus threads report it in the report application. Don't bother TA with it, and don't rant about it in this forum. Rants here doesn't solve anything. It's right up there on the list of solving things after "dressing up in a chicken suit and hanging arround the local mall parking lot after midnight".
Well, that's my opinion anyway.
HadesthePhantom
Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:25 pm
#25
TAfirehawk wrote:
How many different weapons do you folks want? I mean really how manyUBER Carbines can you use at once? How many do you want to carry and choose from in any given situation? All existing Carbines will have a specific and important use after the CU.....and all damage types are to be represented, 2 main and 4 elemental.
All your arguements for Carbineers getting all Carbines is childish, borish,illogicaland NOT going to happen. Deal with it or there is the door. I am not going to kiss everybody's butts here anymore on this subject.
best post ever lol
GeneralCho
Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:49 am
#26
TAfirehawk wrote:
How many different weapons do you folks want? I mean really how manyUBER Carbines can you use at once? How many do you want to carry and choose from in any given situation? All existing Carbines will have a specific and important use after the CU.....and all damage types are to be represented, 2 main and 4 elemental.
All your arguements for Carbineers getting all Carbines is childish, borish,illogicaland NOT going to happen. Deal with it or there is the door. I am not going to kiss everybody's butts here anymore on this subject.
A) Nobody asked you to kiss butt. In fact, none of these arguments are directed at you.
B) They all bring up valid points. We've been playing a game now for two years that the devs are now admitting they've honked up. All major combat profs are gettingupgraded (JEDI,Riflemen, TK, Pistols, Commando) EXCEPT for Carbineer.
C)childish, borish,illogicaland NOT going to happen - Who made you forum god? This is a place to toss ideas back and forth. You should be fostering new ideas, not shooting them down and bowing to Sony on every argument.
Jose Kinematix
Master Carbineer
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