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Thread: Stun Weapons...and the Carbineer (From a Master)
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pentjaksilat
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:20 pm
#14
Tyrst wrote:
I don't know about you but I hit for 700+ in PvP with my elite according to my combat log. So another 25% would give me 825+ in PvP. That means I can kill people 25% faster since I am already at the cap for speed. It would also make theElite amuch better gun in PvP against ranged professions. I would have to have a Laser Rifle with roughly 500 damage to beat my Elite in DPS against a ranged profession. I also said if you gave us BOTH AP2 on the elite and fixed the EE3 we would be FOTM.
ok, so for argument's sake you have a very nice krayt elite carbine w/ form-fitted stock, damage-sliced it's 2.6spd so you cap cripplingshot w/ +85spd, the maximum damage PU'd is 412dmg.
you use cripplingshot: 412*7.5 = 3092dmg
PVP reduction: 773dmg
Ap2 > Ar1: 773*1.25 = 966dmg
85% armor: 966*.15 = 145dmg
now, compare against even a non-krayt ion rifle firing strafe2 at 1sec/shot against 85% base/40%stun (very unrealistic to have anything but helm at this level, but for argument's sake...) unsliced is 300max dmg let's say, so PU'd to 400dmg.
you use strafe2: 400*7.5 = 3000dmg
PVP reduction: 750dmg
Ap1 = Ar1: 750*1.0= 750dmg
40% stun: 750*.6 = 450dmg
and there you have it, your "uber" krayt, stocked AP2 elite carbine just got slapped upside the head by a factor of THREE by a non-krayt ion rifle. FOTM? i think not.
now naturally i didn't do mitigation into this or bother showing how headshot3 is even worse since it's single-pool and not the 55% health that random pools hit, but just making a point...in reality, the max dmg on both of these is mitigated down some, and of course the average is quite a bit lower...but a krayt ion can easily hit 450dmg thru 40%stun-layered armor in PVP so it's not at all far-fetched.
~pentjak
pentjaksilat
Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:30 am
#15
ap2 elite would make us the next FOTM?
curious how 25% higher dps would make us the next FOTM when riflemen & CM outdamage us in buffed/armored PVP by a factor of 5-6x...states are fun, and great in groups, but FOTM will always flock to power. bandwagon pvp'ers care nothing of utility, it's all 'bout raw effectiveness w/ zerging ar2 rancors, or spamming eyeshot, or spamming knockdown, or spamming headshot3, or tossing 80m venom mind poisons.
~pentjak
Tyrst
Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:49 am
#16
I don't know about you but I hit for 700+ in PvP with my elite according to my combat log. So another 25% would give me 825+ in PvP. That means I can kill people 25% faster since I am already at the cap for speed. It would also make theElite amuch better gun in PvP against ranged professions. I would have to have a Laser Rifle with roughly 500 damage to beat my Elite in DPS against a ranged profession. I also said if you gave us BOTH AP2 on the elite and fixed the EE3 we would be FOTM.
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