Carbineer Archive
Thread: Why Become a Carbineer when you can be a bounty Hunter?
While it's true a profession that spent twice the skill points to get there should get more things just to make those points worth it, I dont think the answer is that they need to be directly more powerful in a single line of what they do, they just need more variety on what useful things they can do.
Useful humanoid traps of some sort for example sounds like a pretty good idea for this. I think someone already mentioned before that something like this was already used by the bounty hunters in the movies, too.
3 different weaponskills dont quite do it cause you'll only use one at a time anyways, so it needs to be something on top of that, kind of likehow medic or CH skills are an addition rather than a replacement for power of a weapon skill.
Combat Medic, I HAD to have combat xp to get it, so, I had to have a weapon skill to get Combat XP. And Everyone and their dog is a pistoleer or a rifleman
So let me get this straight...
You got beat by a Bounty Hunter in PvP. Was it just one? Or maybe 2 or 3? Have you fought 50 different Bounty Hunters in PvP and got destroyed by all of them? Was this an actual Novice BH, or somebody close to Master, or do you even know? Hmm, most likely inadequate data to draw any sort of justified conclusion.
You complain that half your specials are broken, aren't working properly, or aren't as powerful as they should be.
And your overall conclusion here is that Bounty Hunters need to be nerfed? Sorry bud, this thread is full of seriously flawed logical. Go back to the drawing board, and maybe if you showed a bit more concern for what your profession can do, we'll all wind up better off in the end.
A Bounty Hunter hunts bounties. A level 1 mark has 10K HAM and usually kills in a few shots and does massive damage. A BH needs their awesome offensive skills to do what they are TRAINED to do. Hunt bounties. Not everything revolvesaround PvP. A Bounty Hunter hunts bounties. If a BH spent all their time in PvP they wouldn't be a very effective BH.
The general consesus on the BH boards is that if a Master Carbineer goes toe to toe with a Master BH with both parties using Carbines then the Master Carbineer should win if only barely.
Remember not everything revolves around PvP. Everyone crying nerf seems to forget this fact.
A BH has considerable Carbine offensive skills but a Carbineer is a much more well rounded Carbine specialist.
The BH is a better combatant than the Carbineer, that is what they are trained to do. Get over it.
Yeah? BH's have THREE professions. Master Marksman, Master Scout, Master BH. So what if two are prerequisites for one, your choice.
And who cares about skill points? Look at the xp needed. Scout xp is a joke. Marksman xp is easy to come by. But Carbineer xp? Holy cow that's a lot, both weapon and combat xp. The BH can get better speed and accuracy with less than half the weapon xp.
Man quit complaining about the BH Carbine already. They geta few extra pts for speed and accuracy and every one cries OH NO THE BOUNTY HUNTER IS BETTER WITH CARBINES THAN WE ARE. You are all so short sighted. The Carbineer gets more specials (regardless of rather they work or not eventually they will) and much more bonuses. Defensive bonuses, bonuses while moving, bonuses against knockdowns etc, DOT attacks Area attacks, multiple HAM pool attacks the list goes on and on.
The Bounty Hunter gets 3 Carbine specials. The Carbineer gets 15.
The Bounty Hunter gets 0 defensive abilities. The Carbineer get counterattack bonuses and defensive bonuses.
The Bounty Hunter gets no accuracy bonuses while moving. The Carbineer does.
Enough with this stupid BH Carbine vs Carbineer. The Carbineer is a better all around Carbine specialist end of story.
I question the rationale behind this. A BH should be good at tracking down targets and ambushing them. A carbineer is a true combat class, i.e. an assault trooper.
As for your 10k HAM marks, I will bet you anything those will be nerfed in the coming weeks.
Sorry for not explaining my rationale Kubernetes and you have every right to question it by the way.
My rationale is overall a BH is the best overall combatant because of the diversity of the weapons they use. They have experience in pistol, carbine rifles, and a heavy weapon. Coupled with the fact that all BH's are Master Marksman (which every Carbineeer may not be) and Master Scouts (with the terrain nav bonuses that tree provides) makes them a very deadly combatant.
A Carbineer excels in one weapon the Carbine. It is a mid range weapon.
The BH however is profecient in short range (the pistol discipline from marksman and the pistol discipline from BH), mid range(2 carbine disciplines) long range (rifle discipline) and heavy weapons (LLC). They are the only class in the game that has extensive weapon support in ALL types of ranged weapons. The commando has lots of experience also but they specialize in heavy weapons.
The BH is in my opinion the best pure offensive combatant in the game. They are built for one thing. Attacking. A Carbineer or Rifleman or Pistoleer is built for specializing on their weapon of choice which involves offensive, defensive and support capabliites. A Carbineer is an all around Carbine specialist but as far as plain kicking butt goes the BH comes out on top.
By no means am I a BH fanboy. I haven't decided what I'm going to do with my character. Heck I may scrap everything and be a Droid Engineer. One thing is sure. I'm not interested in PvP and I'm not interested in nerfing the BH because I've been to the boards, I've seen and read what they have to do and quite frankly I think they need the skills theyhave the way they are now.
The problem is not the total number of carbine attacks the bh gets compared to Carbineers, the problem is that the bonus/attack power per credit and per xp point is way out of whack. Balance should not be thrown out the window because BH's are meant to hunt people. Real bounty hunters spend most of their time searching for people and detaining them without killing them, so the argument that they must be the ultimate player killers is not really valid. The carbine is similar to a machine gun, and who pray tell is hunting animals with machine guns anyway? Pistoleers and Carbineers should be top notch people killers since that's what those weapon types are designed for. Carbineers take 16 carbine skillsand at higher costs than the 4 BH carb skills. The total bonuses accumulated for those 16 skills after all those credits and xp points is less than that recieved from 4 skills in the BH tree.
The bounty hunter has to take scouting and marksman master. Ok fine. A carbine master who has scouting and marksman master should blow a BH out of the water for speed and accuracy since they will have spent vastly more xp on carbine than the BH has. For it to be the other way around is very poorly conceived.
The carbine represents 1/3 of the focus of BH weaponry. That should not be more than equivalent to 100% focus in terms of attack bonuses.
First off thank you for your Flames. I would like all of you to know that I have the choice to voice what I think is right since I also play this game.
This is not a Game Based on PvP True. But its in the game. And when something in the game is not working right or is a bit un-fair it needs to be fixed.
Now that I think about Bounty Hunter dose not need to be nefred. It was ment to be a kick ass skill. But you would think that a Carbineer would be able to use a carbine better than a bounty hunter.
For the Skill 217 to 93. In Bounty Hunter only 43 Skill points goes into useing a Carbine not 93 and it takes less xp to get the good carbine moves in Bounty Hunter.
Each class should have a fighting chance when vs. each other. When a bounty hunter only has to get 2 skill boxes to out do a carbineer that spent more time and carbine xp just to be the same.