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Thread: DH-17 vs Elite Carbine--help?
TAfirehawk wrote:
I actually prefer an Enhanced E11 over a DH17.....
Health Bleed and Armor Piercing makes a huge difference IMHO.
True, but for someone just starting out (this guy sounds like he hasn't been playing long, so I'm assuming newbie budget here. So no assumption of buffing on a regular basis), the HAM costs on anE11 can be a bit brutal, especially since market demand pretty much makes stocked and scoped E11s the rule, rather than the exception. Plus the DH17 is typically a faster carbine, which is often important to newer Marksmen. Back in late August of last year, I bought a DH17 that was completely stock and unkrayted. 90-220 damage and I haditspeed sliced down to 1.1 speed.
My other issue with the E11 is that it has a Health bleed, where almost all Marksman based Carbine attacks are Action focused.
JanuHull wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
I actually prefer an Enhanced E11 over a DH17.....
Health Bleed and Armor Piercing makes a huge difference IMHO.
True, but for someone just starting out (this guy sounds like he hasn't been playing long, so I'm assuming newbie budget here. So no assumption of buffing on a regular basis), the HAM costs on anE11 can be a bit brutal, especially since market demand pretty much makes stocked and scoped E11s the rule, rather than the exception. Plus the DH17 is typically a faster carbine, which is often important to newer Marksmen. Back in late August of last year, I bought a DH17 that was completely stock and unkrayted. 90-220 damage and I haditspeed sliced down to 1.1 speed.
My other issue with the E11 is that it has a Health bleed, where almost all Marksman based Carbine attacks are Action focused.
eh, every little bit helps. if your attacking action and keep missing, you can rely on the the health bleed to slow wittle down the enemy's HAM
Corrupt3d wrote:
JanuHull wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
I actually prefer an Enhanced E11 over a DH17.....
Health Bleed and Armor Piercing makes a huge difference IMHO.
True, but for someone just starting out (this guy sounds like he hasn't been playing long, so I'm assuming newbie budget here. So no assumption of buffing on a regular basis), the HAM costs on anE11 can be a bit brutal, especially since market demand pretty much makes stocked and scoped E11s the rule, rather than the exception. Plus the DH17 is typically a faster carbine, which is often important to newer Marksmen. Back in late August of last year, I bought a DH17 that was completely stock and unkrayted. 90-220 damage and I haditspeed sliced down to 1.1 speed.
My other issue with the E11 is that it has a Health bleed, where almost all Marksman based Carbine attacks are Action focused.
eh, every little bit helps. if your attacking action and keep missing, you can rely on the the health bleed to slow wittle down the enemy's HAM
JanuHull wrote:
True, but for someone just starting out (this guy sounds like he hasn't been playing long, so I'm assuming newbie budget here. So no assumption of buffing on a regular basis)
This character is new, but I've been around long enough to feel stupid about forgetting certifications. Although I'm not a guy. And I will never use buffs. Ever.
Just for the record.
J.
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Sunjammer wrote:
JanuHull wrote:
True, but for someone just starting out (this guy sounds like he hasn't been playing long, so I'm assuming newbie budget here. So no assumption of buffing on a regular basis)
This character is new, but I've been around long enough to feel stupid about forgetting certifications. Although I'm not a guy. And I will never use buffs. Ever.
Just for the record.
J.
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In that case, I'd still recommend the DH17 over the Elite. HAM costs alone drive that. If the damage on the Elite were more over the top compared to what I've seen out of DH17s, I'd tell you that firing more hurtful, but fewer shots was worth the price, but as one who was a Carbineer before buffs, even against light armor, the DH17 is still your choice.
I am going to stick with the DH-17 until I can use the elite, just because the E-11 feels wrong for this character. But speaking hypothetically (and assuming I could find a weaponsmith who still remembers how), could the enhanced E-11 be exerimented on to reduce the HAM cost, while retaining the higher damage? Or would it suck up so many experimentation points that it wouldn't be worth it?
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Sunjammer wrote:
Hee, no worries. I'm pretty butch, so it happens alot
I am going to stick with the DH-17 until I can use the elite, just because the E-11 feels wrong for this character. But speaking hypothetically (and assuming I could find a weaponsmith who still remembers how), could the enhanced E-11 be exerimented on to reduce the HAM cost, while retaining the higher damage? Or would it suck up so many experimentation points that it wouldn't be worth it?
I'm a little fuzzy on how HAM is affected, but my recollection is that it is experimentable, it does reduce the experimentation points you can put into damage, and really doesn't make too much difference between where you start and where you end up.
Now, you can stock and scope yourself into sickening HAM costs, so watch carefully any accessories. Imperial stocks are the only things that don't increase HAM in some way, but they are hella expensive (570k on Kettemoor). I checked last night and my Accuracy DXR-6 with an Advanced Scope and Advanced Stock has a built in Action cost of 99, so be warned, you can get to the point of killing yourself.