Carbineer Archive
Thread: BH Based Templates
Hav0c
Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:51 am
#14
Master Carb (of course)
BH 3400 - Jedi Hunter and exetreme Carb loving.
TKA 0004 - 87 Ranged and 59 Melee Defense. Decent Unarmed Damage too.
I'll report back when I'm done.
TKarrade
Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:08 am
#15
Hey nova, could you edit the list and throw in the Ranged / Melee damage mitigation levels as well?
A MBH/MCarb Combo might be less 'balanced' than throwing in a melee profession to get the melee damage mitigation as well. So it would be nice to know which templates have that included.
-TK
Thrasia
Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:14 am
#17
As a previous MBH/carb dabbler, I can honestly say the the best special (even in the game) is /sprayshot. No serious carb user should be without it.
Of your templates, it's tough to pick which one would be good against different things. For example, as it stands now, all ranged professions are hopeless against jedi with 0-0-0-4 lightsaber (~90% blocks). I'm partial to the MBH/Mcarb build, but I wonder how useful Medic will be in PvP as it stands now. Granted, post-CB, medic skills may play a larger part, but as of now you'll always die to mind damage and not the others. Even for hunting jedi, they're still going to target your mind or KD/dizzy you and hack away. Invest in Ithorian mist and Thatkillo for jedi hunts.
I see MBH/Mcarb and Novice Brawler as another possible combo. /intimidate will help out a ton for PvP and also jedi hunts. I think Carb users should also look into picking up some pistoleer def trees as well.
However, for regular PvP, its a different story. All those builds would work great for regular PvP. The fencer and/or TKA skills will help a ton for that.
Message Edited by Thrasia on 07-07-2004 07:17 AM
Message Edited by Thrasia on 07-07-2004 07:19 AM
Bennyboy4308
Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:27 am
#18
I have 2 plans.
First I'm going to try
Master Carbineer - Master BH - Novice Brawler
200 Acc
ALL CARBINE SPECIALS
LLC and decent pistols stats (125 Acc, Scatter cert)
Intimidate
I'm hoping all the accuracy and intimidate will allow me to easily destroy melee templates
Master BH - Carbineer 0404 - Pistoleer 0340 - Novice Brawler
180 Carbine Acc
150 Pistol Acc
Geo Cert
Nearly all Carb Specials except Scattershot2, Wildshots, and Burstshots.
Almost negative defense cept some great state defense.
memnoch37
Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:27 pm
#19
BH 3440 / Master Carbine (of couse) / Pistol 0044
Carbine Accuracy +190
Carbine Accuracy While Moving +30
Carbine Speed +115
Counterattack +105
Defense Vs. Blind +40
Defense Vs. Dizzy +40
Defense Vs. Intimidate +25
Defense Vs. Knockdown +65
Defense Vs. Posture Change (Down) +20
Defense Vs. Stun +40
Melee Defense +42
Pistol Accuracy +115
Pistol Accuracy While Standing +15
Pistol Speed +109
Ranged Defense +42
Advantages:
I might finally be able to take out a Protector or a Spell Weaver with this 
High carbine/pistol accuracy.
Capscarbine/pistol speed.
Good state defense
Good pistol/carbine specials.
Disadvantages:
I hate pistols.
No dodge
I think Mitigation is dependent on your equipped weapon, so I'll only have Mitigation II (right?)
No Medic, but I think novice Medic is overrated anyway
travenwatts
Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:34 pm
#21
you get mitigation 3 from master carbineer and 0 melee mitigation.
and I have heard conflicting arguments about having to have your weapon equipped for the respective mitigation to work. Anyone have any good test results?
mescalinex
Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:04 am
#22
Heres what i m considering:
MBH / 1324 Carbineer / 4040 Pistoleer
Carbine Accuracy +155
Carbine Speed +90
Carbine Acc While Moving +20
Counterattack +40
Def vs Blind +40
Def vs Dizzy +40
Def vs Intimidate +25
Def vs Knockdown +65
Def vs Posture Change +20
Def vs Stun +40
Dodge +80
Melee Defense +2
Pistol Accuracy +125
Pistol Speed +85
Ranged Defense +24
the Melee/Ranged Defense is not great at all, and this needs some fine tuning definitely, but i dig it.
Tagaar
Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:29 pm
#23
Question,
What's more important? Ranged Defense, or Defense Vs. XXX ?
Is it a situation of:
Ranged Defense stops the attack from hitting you at all; But if it hits, then Defense vs. XXX kicks in to try and save your butt?
Trying to figure out what is really important, overall.
lovewillkill
Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:02 pm
#24
I'm currently working on:
Master BH - Master Carb -0/0/3/0 Pistol
Which should give something like
Carbine Accuracy - 200
Carbine Speed - 115
Pistol Accuracy - 120
Pistol Speed - 80
Ranged Mitigation 3
Ranged Defense - 49
Melee Defense - 2
General Aiming - 30
Counterattack - 105
Def Intimidate - 25
Def Knockdown - 15
Carb Accuracy Moving - 30
Carbine Aiming - 25
Def Stun - 40
Def Blind - 40
Def Dizzy - 40
Advantages:
Decent Ranged Defense
Defense to Int., KD, Stun, Diz, Blind
High Counterattack
Super-high accuracy
Disadvantages:
No Medic
Laughable Melee Defense
But hey, I already had a crapload of carb and combat xp left over from MBH, so I'm already most of the way through this.
C
La-grange
Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:30 pm
#25
I have Master Carbineer/BH 0-4-4-0/pistoleer 3-0-4-4.
Advantages. I can continue fighting when my buffs drop. I have a mind attack. Im capped for both pistols and carbine speed. I have a good selection of both pistol and carbine specials. Pistoleer "plugged" the "hole" in my super carbineer defenses (Stat defense, Melee defense). Nice amount of DOT's to play with
Disadvantage. It took 249 skillpoints to get mediocre defenses. No medic. Not enough pistol accuracy to consistently hit defense stackers.
Nothing is going to be perfect. But im having fun with this template.
Advantages. I can continue fighting when my buffs drop. I have a mind attack. Im capped for both pistols and carbine speed. I have a good selection of both pistol and carbine specials. Pistoleer "plugged" the "hole" in my super carbineer defenses (Stat defense, Melee defense). Nice amount of DOT's to play with
Disadvantage. It took 249 skillpoints to get mediocre defenses. No medic. Not enough pistol accuracy to consistently hit defense stackers.
Nothing is going to be perfect. But im having fun with this template.
Feomatar
Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:10 am
#26
Hello 
I need a suggestion with a temporary template... I'm master armorsmith and master carbineer at the moment, i won't drop armorsmith soon, because i first need to make enough armors for my whole guild and me. 
I think about dropping carbineer to 0-4-x-x and pick up bh 0-4-0-0:
Master Marksman
Artisan 4-0-0-0
Scout 4-0-0-0
Master Armorsmith
BH 0-4-0-0
Carbineer 0-4-x-x
I would be speedcapped with all my specials and have12 skillpoints remaining. thats enough for x-x-3-x OR x-x-x-3... I'm not sure what is more effective, what do you think? Burstshot2 and the defenses.. or fullautoarea2 and the accuracy while moving?
Thanks for the help,
Feo Chri'Lar 