Carbineer Archive
Thread: carabineer and the PvP struggles
ESCacrE
Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:00 pm
#14
So what if they take thatkilo... and no, not all pvper takes thatkilo... i rather save my stomache for synth, ahrisa, canape or the accuracy food....
and there is something call suppressionfire2 and actionshot1 which have a chance to change their posture... If u cant KD them... use those... easy
1) Pistoleer = Health
2) Carbineer = Action
3) Rifleman = Mind
and dont tell me... "oh yes pistoleer can do mind dmg... eye shot...." That is bounty hunter's special... not PISTOLEER
Each profession have their own specials and effects.... If 1 profession can do all.. why do we need so many diff professions then... It has its purpose.
TKA > Every profession
r u kidding me??
If a TKM can get close to me and do a dizzyKD and finish me off... bravo... i /bow
If not... good luck chasing me... which i can do dizzy KD posture from range.... land states(stun, blind).... TKA also have NO defense at all... They have good Offensive attacks.... So do we Carbineers... They have Light AP Kinetic vk.... We have our Medium AP Energy Laser Gun... (and it's not our only type of gun to choose from) The only thing TKA is better then Carbineer is they have Toughness(o yea and can do all 3 pools attacks) but so what... everything else is same as Carbineer. I dont see how Carbineer cannot match a TKM face to face... both have 80% comps vs Kin/Ener... both have capped speed.... I dont see why i cant overpower a TKM... I should be able to do more dmg due to higher power weapons and Medium Piercing which adds more dmg to my total dmg.... (o and with high end dmg plus max powerups.... imagine how much dmg they can do).... Like other people would say.. Carbineers are tactics kind of player... (and so is TKM)..... If u do it right... think before u spam ur keys.... i dont see why carbineers cannot own in pvp.
Feyrbrand
Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:02 pm
#15
Jedi1006 wrote:
lets all be serious here fellas: Carabineer sux in PvP for5 reasons
1. TKA- overused overplayed...over everything profession
2. Rifleman- same as above
3. Thatkilo- knockdown prevention Food
4. No mind Damage- lets face it with buffs these days
5. No Defense- only counterattack....come on
If your facing one of these 2 professions you dont have a chance especially since about half the player base is one of these 2 professions or both and they eat a thatkilo which most smart PvP players do. It'll be over before you can say knockdown 2 or headshot 3. I mean carabineer is only good with BH but if they have thatkilo then ur done especially is they have buffs and comp armor.....you mine as well just stay on the ground once they put you there. Carabineer can be good in PvE if you know how to use ur specials but other then that in my experience with carabineer......well i'd rather not go there
.................nub.............
YamadaMan
Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:20 am
#16
Feyrbrand wrote:
Jedi1006 wrote:lets all be serious here fellas: Carabineer sux in PvP for 5 reasons1. TKA- overused overplayed...over everything profession2. Rifleman- same as above3. Thatkilo- knockdown prevention Food4. No mind Damage- lets face it with buffs these days5. No Defense- only counterattack....come onIf your facing one of these 2 professions you dont have a chance especially since about half the player base is one of these 2 professions or both and they eat a thatkilo which most smart PvP players do. It'll be over before you can say knockdown 2 or headshot 3. I mean carabineer is only good with BH but if they have thatkilo then ur done especially is they have buffs and comp armor.....you mine as well just stay on the ground once they put you there. Carabineer can be good in PvE if you know how to use ur specials but other then that in my experience with carabineer......well i'd rather not go there.................nub.............
I so second that, if only they knew... but it's cool that they don't
just a "trick" against high def vs KD dudes:
land a dizzy (FAS2 or Confusion shot) then you got choice:
- suppression fire
- action shot
so you /posture down and bypass the def vs KD mod, here ya got your KD
I do up to 700 PvP damage / second with my dxr6 against melee fighters, say you have a nice 4k HAM, get down once, and it'll take what, 6 or 7 shots, let's be large and say 10 shots to take a Health bar down. if the guy's armored, I use carbines to knock him down (scr3w def vs KD mods) then switch to geoblaster to take him down with ease.
hey ! it's called "tactics" it's not cause you don't have a direct "I win" button that the profession sux.
Otegu123
Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:16 am
#17
Jedi1006 wrote:
lets all be serious here fellas: Carabineer sux in PvP for5 reasons
1. TKA- overused overplayed...over everything profession
2. Rifleman- same as above
3. Thatkilo- knockdown prevention Food
4. No mind Damage- lets face it with buffs these days
5. No Defense- only counterattack....come on
If your facing one of these 2 professions you dont have a chance especially since about half the player base is one of these 2 professions or both and they eat a thatkilo which most smart PvP players do. It'll be over before you can say knockdown 2 or headshot 3. I mean carabineer is only good with BH but if they have thatkilo then ur done especially is they have buffs and comp armor.....you mine as well just stay on the ground once they put you there. Carabineer can be good in PvE if you know how to use ur specials but other then that in my experience with carabineer......well i'd rather not go there
Carbineer doesnt suck in pvp, your just wanting a FOTM profession. Carbineers are much worse off than rifleman atm, yes we can beat them but only if they're less prepared than us. If we're both equily buffed etc then the rifleman will win. As for tkm's, i doubt you pvp much if you think they'reso great. They're not bad but they're far from what a rifleman can do...Pure carbineer vs pure tkm theres no reason why the carbineer shouldnt win
Lycantha
Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:31 am
#18
I've been a Master Carbineer since November. Reading these responses is reminds me why I largely ignore this board.
If you are relying on Non-Carbineer skills to make your point about Carbineer being "just fine" then I submit that you aren't really a carbineer, just another FOTM melee stacker.
Kindly point out, for example, what line of the Carbineer tree gives you an "Intimidate" move?
After the BH revamp I stayed Master Carb, then BH 0-4-4-0 Pistoleer 0-0-4-3 novice medic.I have every Carbineer shot in the game save one, speed capped and max accuracy, and the best weapons I can buy.
Bottom line is, Carbines dont kill. They lay states, they KD, they dizzy. To kill you pull out something else, in my case the 445 max damage Geo and eyeshot/torso.
I'm more than a bit frustrated in that I have dedicated all of my skill points and a tremendous amount of money in SEAs trying to max Carbine and still end up using the same stun/mindshot combo as every other fotm in the game in order to compete.
Every time someone points out some of the glaring problems facing Carbineers who choose to be Ranged professionals someone barges in with the same old tired saw about howthier Dabbled Non Master Carbineer/tka/fencer/pikeman/whatever "Pwns" everyone.
Pardon me, you are NOT a Carbineer.
Lasai Bilof
Valcyn
Otegu123
Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:53 am
#19
Lycantha wrote:
I've been a Master Carbineer since November. Reading these responses is reminds me why I largely ignore this board.
If you are relying on Non-Carbineer skills to make your point about Carbineer being "just fine" then I submit that you aren't really a carbineer, just another FOTM melee stacker.
Kindly point out, for example, what line of the Carbineer tree gives you an "Intimidate" move?
After the BH revamp I stayed Master Carb, then BH 0-4-4-0 Pistoleer 0-0-4-3 novice medic.I have every Carbineer shot in the game save one, speed capped and max accuracy, and the best weapons I can buy.
Bottom line is, Carbines dont kill. They lay states, they KD, they dizzy. To kill you pull out something else, in my case the 445 max damage Geo and eyeshot/torso.
I'm more than a bit frustrated in that I have dedicated all of my skill points and a tremendous amount of money in SEAs trying to max Carbine and still end up using the same stun/mindshot combo as every other fotm in the game in order to compete.
Every time someone points out some of the glaring problems facing Carbineers who choose to be Ranged professionals someone barges in with the same old tired saw about howthier Dabbled Non Master Carbineer/tka/fencer/pikeman/whatever "Pwns" everyone.
Pardon me, you are NOT a Carbineer.
Lasai Bilof
Valcyn
yes, carbineer's need a lot of work, if you're a pure carbineer with no SEA's its very close to being the worst combat prof there is in pvp
I never use fencer in pvp, the only time i use it is when jedi show up. All im saying is that carbineers can get by..your just not going to be as damaging as a rifleman. I'd say my carbines would do roughly the same amount of damage as your 445 damage geo will, both well within double figures..single figures sometimes :/
I never use fencer in pvp, the only time i use it is when jedi show up. All im saying is that carbineers can get by..your just not going to be as damaging as a rifleman. I'd say my carbines would do roughly the same amount of damage as your 445 damage geo will, both well within double figures..single figures sometimes :/But why is a carbineer/fencer not a carbineeryet a bh/carbineer is? I know only too well that carbineer is incredibly disadvantaged in pvp
I think the bottom line is: Against a very well prepared person, rifles and dots kill people...nothing else.
Jedi1006
Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:56 am
#20
Im not trying to diss carabineer or anything but ive been master swordy/master fencer for awile now and every single time i duel or watch a carabineer duel they get fried. Now in my experience with carbsthe same thing happened to me with a few exceptions. maybe its becuase people dont know how to use specials or combine with bh but all i know is that ive had a bad experience with it and so have the people i know. Now it may be all great like u say it is if you know what ur doing but the fact is if u get kncoked down first then ur done especially if the other person is sum sorta ranged profession just incase u get bck and fire on the run. you may have uber weaps or sum sorta super macro that will knock ur oppenents head off but if ur facing a lets say rifleman with good compo armor and u have good compo armor then all he has to do is whip out a jawa ion rifle mind shot 2, headshot 3 spam on you and he will beat u. You wont do enough damage to either of HAMS in time to beat him especially if he has sum sorta medic skill then he can heal. So if ur gonna win in PvP it isn gonna be easy but well worth it if u do.
peace 
Brainplay
Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:57 am
#21
Ifisa wrote:
Well, I am a tkm, im reading up on other boards to see what else I want to become. I don't see how you think they are great in pvp, we only do 20% damage on average armored opponents, ive even seen 90% kinetic resist armor for sale. Also, I think tkm kd's are screwed up, I can do a KD 2 and an unarmed dizzy, yet rarely hit (people without the food) and a fencer knocks me down and I can't get back up.
With the 205 unarmed damage bonus that 20% means ALOT. Add to the fact that you have a headhit that can do 500+ damage to an opponents MIND. Thats a big step up over what we carbineers have. Kinetic armor is not PvP armor. STUN armor is PvP armor. TKM KD is the most effective KD in the game with a higher to hit modifier than ours. FENCERS dont have a KD. If a fencer KD'd you it was from their TKM skill or they hit you with a master brawler skill "lunge2" which is a double posture down.
We dont get a stun damage weapon so any 90% resist armor is also going to affect ours. We also dont have any aclarity (or however you spell it), toughness, or good defenses like TK does yet you can lay the exact same states,intimidate, and have a hellagood posture down. There is no comparison. Go find a TK sensei to teach you the ways of PvP plz. If you want to be a defense stacker go to the pistoleer and fencerboards.
Otegu123
Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:05 am
#22
thats if they're not wearing a helmet
slap in a comp helmet and they dont do more than 50dps mind damage
slap in a comp helmet and they dont do more than 50dps mind damage
Agricola1
Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:20 am
#23
The second prof i ever mastered in this game was carbineer after tk, I kept comparing the two profs and came to the conclusion that carbineer sucked.
Well 5 months on I have a diffrent char on a diffrent server and am a mbh/ master pistoleer/ novice brawler. I'm pretty good in pvp and pve and can whip even a TKM but I've decided to drop pistoleer for carbineer, why? Because pistoleer is great, but sucks versus a jedi carbineer with bh specials seems pretty decent and I've killed 2 jedi with my krayt laser carbine alone! Considering that's 50% of my total kills so far and I only have bh carbines I've decided to try master carbineer.
To tell the truth pistoleer specials are all broken and without bh specials it would be useless but for the defenses, and in my line of business it's all about suprising the jedi and getting in some early hits. Pistoleer is more suited to a long drawn out fight which I'll lose anyway as the jedi can heal themselves and grind me down until my foods have worn off.
So don't put down carbineer too much, the specials are ok but the HAM cost is a little to steep for unbuffed pvp. For hunting jedi though a carbine is a ranged bounty hunters best friend!
Maryk
Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:34 am
#24
Please, no stun, no mind attack and no AP3. That is just retarded. Learn how to PvP without the "I win" mash key.
Carbineer doesn't need to improve as much as your PvP skills need to improve.
Carbineer doesn't need to improve as much as your PvP skills need to improve.
DaLoco1
Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:24 am
#25
Lycantha wrote:
I've been a Master Carbineer since November. Reading these responses is reminds me why I largely ignore this board.
If you are relying on Non-Carbineer skills to make your point about Carbineer being "just fine" then I submit that you aren't really a carbineer, just another FOTM melee stacker.
Kindly point out, for example, what line of the Carbineer tree gives you an "Intimidate" move?
After the BH revamp I stayed Master Carb, then BH 0-4-4-0 Pistoleer 0-0-4-3 novice medic.I have every Carbineer shot in the game save one, speed capped and max accuracy, and the best weapons I can buy.
Bottom line is, Carbines dont kill. They lay states, they KD, they dizzy. To kill you pull out something else, in my case the 445 max damage Geo and eyeshot/torso.
I'm more than a bit frustrated in that I have dedicated all of my skill points and a tremendous amount of money in SEAs trying to max Carbine and still end up using the same stun/mindshot combo as every other fotm in the game in order to compete.
Every time someone points out some of the glaring problems facing Carbineers who choose to be Ranged professionals someone barges in with the same old tired saw about howthier Dabbled Non Master Carbineer/tka/fencer/pikeman/whatever "Pwns" everyone.
Pardon me, you are NOT a Carbineer.
Lasai Bilof
Valcyn
I could say the exact same for you, since you kill with your pistol you are NOT a carbineer.. excuse me but I do absolutely fine in PVP, just because a template cannot pwn everything in sight doesn't mean its crappy.
Yellow City Pimp
Jedi1006
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:10 am
#26
lol.........carabineer pawned 
dont try to tell me its actually good at sumthing
ha
