Carbineer Archive
Thread: Should I need Buffing to survive as a Carbineer?
I think the devs need to seriously overhaul the carbineer profession, I shouldn't need a stat buff to do more than 3 rebel faction missions without getting killed, the ham costs are unbeliveable. My friends in the game can take out NPCs 3 times as fast as I can and they always have to heal me b4 we move on to the next mission. I was hoping to get some holocrons, but it looks like it might be impossible for me to do, I'll have to hunt with my entire guild to get anywhere, I mean I've been doing carbineer for a few months now, and I'm only 1/1/1/1 and I'm almost to a second tier on counterinsugency. The only reason I want to stick with it and master it is to hopefully be able to get myself 4 -6 holocrons, mostly to use/hold on to for when I have to give up carbineer. if I have any left I plan on selling them cause I've never had more than 100k in my bank. Anyway I really hope that everything gets fixed, I'm not saying that we need to be the first on SOE's list, but we have to be close. I should mention that I solo alot but I'm slowing doing more group missions, only because I can't do anything on my own anymore. I pray that they fix carbineer soon...
Maju-Mamass (Exiles Guild)
-X- City (4000k North East of Dantooine Agro Outpost)
Master Scout
Master Marksman
Carbineer 1111
Ranger 2000
you can get yourPA doctor to buff you, probably for free and last 2 hours, but for self-dependence, use 2 ryshcake and 1 breath of heaven, look like your already have master scout/marksman, get BH carbine to 3 if you want to be extremely powerful, not for the special just for the carbine mod it offer, and special is nice but with +40 speed and +40 accuracy at BH carbine 3 helps very much, and I would concentrate on speed line of the carbineer and get scatter shot 2 instead spreading all the carbine experience around, accuracy and counterattack doesn't affect you as much unless you pvp.
I pulled an large rebel base mission and solo it without at-st just with self buff and full composite armor. carbineer is tough at beginning but it will pay off.
Carbineer can rarely operate without some sort of statistic buffs. Though when they have those statistic buffs they can out perform many classes. When Doctor buffs are not available, food is relatively inexpensive and easy to stock up on because it usually comes in crates. What the person said above: Breath of Heaven and Ryscake, are the two most commonly used foods by Carbineers. They reduce you HAM costs to nearly nothing, and are instantaneous and can be used at any time. But the answer toyour question still remains the same, Carbineers do need some sort of buff to survive as a class.
I don't know why some people think carbines are the only weapon that uses HAM, but the idea that carbines use too much HAM persists.
But, guess I'll say it again: Two Ryschates and One Breath of Heaven reduce Carbine Special Action costs to 0 (zero) for six minutes.
Or pay a few thousand credits to boost all your stats then watch a dancer and listen to a musician and you have such high secondary stats that your primary stats stay in the thousands for two hours or so. In those two hours you can accomplish enough missions to make thousands in profit.
Doctor and mind buffs are worth it just as a fun factor, but they are a financial investment that always pays off, too. Went to(classified loc)Imp base yesterday after being doctor and mind buffed and killed every stormtrooper in the place. Nothing like using fullautoarea2 on a seven stormtroopers at a time. In 15 minutes work I looted 15k credits and three skill tapes and 2 rebel orders disks, plus a bunch of other crap and 600 faction points. Every time I came to a group of stormies all huddled in a corner I just stood there and spammed the good ol' faa2 with my laser carb.Strength and actionhams up all over 3000,secondaries all up over 2000, mind at 2000, secondary mind all up to 10000, wearing full composite armor.
Wish you'd been online, Dirge, it was a beautiful slaughter.
-- Ypi
To be truthful no. If they were to raise our speed mods in carbineer so we hit the speed cap like everyone else yes. Cripple shot is huge at the speed cap. Being able to knock you down then spam cripple shot makes us buttaly effective if its at the speed cap. Dont belive me just for fun pick up bounty hunter carbine for a week and see if you can give it up. Carbineer as it stands needs some work, the problem we are running into it that I think they are getting to ready to seriusly rework speed caps and DPS across the board for us elites. They have had the combat dev pass on some info about what his ideas are in the past. And from dev statements I get the fealing that how they invision/intended combat to work is no near how it is now.
I think we will not see real fixes till the huge revamp hits. Why you ask? Cause we are mad at them as it is, could you imagine how upset we would all be if they upped us to the speed cap, fixed our specials, and then poof changed the combat system so all of that all of those nice things they did for us mean nothing? No I dont think its fair. I do think that they were not ready for 300+ players and the madness they can come up with. Then to top it all off the combat peeps have to spend time on mounts and vehichles. So are fixes are at best coming to us in January.
Lageas
RIP
Doctor and mind buffs are worth it just as a fun factor, but they are a financial investment that always pays off, too. Went to(classified loc)Imp base yesterday after being doctor and mind buffed and killed every stormtrooper
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And your point is? any buffed combat profession could do that after eating rhyshcakes and tat sunburn and boh and getting doc buffs.
the issue is not how much of what can we kill with impunity, the issue is my g9#%@ action and health bars dropping like a $2 hooker everytime i use a special. do you even use a carbine? have you ever used crippling shot unbuffed and unarmored in pvp and looked at what it does to your ham bars?
buffs DONT solve the problem, the simply boost your stats so high that the problem becomes less evident (and its a money pit.) it makes NO sense to do 180 points of damage to your action bar, 150 to your health bar and 50 to your mind bar just to hit someone for100ish points of damage to one ham bar in pvp. buffed, unbuffed, doc, no doc, armor or no armor.
buffs are enhancements; they are not meant to be stacked repeatedly to the point where they become temporary bullet proof vests for people like you with apparentlyendless cash flow to stand around shooting yourself in the chest like a jackass all day long while soloing some wussy-ass 8k, AR0, dim-witted NPC stormtroopers and then suggesting that there is no ham issue because:a)youre a carbineer and b) you survived a mission without killing yourself because you stacked doc buffs, food buffs and spice. /golf clap.with all those buffs you probably couldve went afk and ran to the store for some beer and pretzels and finished most of the mission with auto-attack.
makalas wrote:
Doctor and mind buffs are worth it just as a fun factor, but they are a financial investment that always pays off, too. Went to(classified loc)Imp base yesterday after being doctor and mind buffed and killed every stormtrooper
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And your point is? any buffed combat profession could do that after eating rhyshcakes and tat sunburn and boh and getting doc buffs.
the issue is not how much of what can we kill with impunity, the issue is my g9#%@ action and health bars dropping like a $2 hooker everytime i use a special. do you even use a carbine? have you ever used crippling shot unbuffed and unarmored in pvp and looked at what it does to your ham bars?
buffs DONT solve the problem, the simply boost your stats so high that the problem becomes less evident (and its a money pit.) it makes NO sense to do 180 points of damage to your action bar, 150 to your health bar and 50 to your mind bar just to hit someone for100ish points of damage to one ham bar in pvp. buffed, unbuffed, doc, no doc, armor or no armor.
buffs are enhancements; they are not meant to be stacked repeatedly to the point where they become temporary bullet proof vests for people like you with apparentlyendless cash flow to stand around shooting yourself in the chest like a jackass all day long while soloing some wussy-ass 8k, AR0, dim-witted NPC stormtroopers and then suggesting that there is no ham issue because:a)youre a carbineer and b) you survived a mission without killing yourself because you stacked doc buffs, food buffs and spice. /golf clap.with all those buffs you probably couldve went afk and ran to the store for some beer and pretzels and finished most of the mission with auto-attack.
/AGREE 100%
Two words: TATOOINE SUNBURN!
If you're going to be a carbineer, might as well be a drunk carbineer!
i decided to go CM along with carbineer, but even if you just have master medic you can hunt pretty efficiently. buffing is nice, but on TC we don't have that many doctors or master chefs running around 
unfortunately i got a speed slice on my carbine, sohere's what i do to stay alive:
get crates of powerups with at least 30% action cost. i'm currently ordering some with health cost as secondary, that should help a bit.
put a stim D in a hotkey slot, i have mine at f1. these fill up pretty much your entire health/action bar, even with only master medic med crafting. if you don't want to master medic, advanced stim Cs or even Bs might be ok, but the less you need to heal the better.
spam specials of your choice... and when you get low on action, peace, ctrl-1, then f1. repeat until either i die or the mob dies. i shifted my willpower up to 800, it helps with the constant healing.
i'm not sure how non-medic carbineers stay alive though, i have enough problems as is they really need to reevaluate our ham costs.
The perfect setup for Carbineer, Master CH, Master Carbineer, Medic 4/3/4/0. That way your pets can do the work, because your going to be healling yourself most of the time....
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Master CH, Master Carbineer, Medic 4/3/4/0
If other classes do not need buffs to not kill themselves, neither should carbineers.
That being said, this game is about choices. You see, even at master carbineer, theres plenty of other porfessions to master. or dabble in. Be a doctor. Or a CH, or medic. And so on. Novice medic has been a perm. part of my template. Now, Im just shy of master combat medic.
Until they fix HAM costs, you're going to have to eat. Shoot pixie, watch dancers. Indeed, that is even part of the fun in the game.
All classes suffer fromHAM costs. One of the reasons I like poisons from combat medic. Get 'em down to 1 point, they can't fire off specials.
The DEVs have acknowledged our HAM issue. TH hit off on it last week as well. Plus, experience has taught a lot of people HAM costs for carbineers are high. This is likely why the idea that HAM costs are too high still persists 
However, experience has alsotaught people to make up for the difference. Whether its via doctor buffs, food etc.
Use what it takes to ge the job done. That makes the most sense.
*hides his Master Doctor tag*
Yes. Every Carbineer should get doctor buffs all the time....and /tip large amounts of money as well....
Seriously though, our HAM costs are too high. I'd wager that almost all Master Carbineers are either Doctors or carry around at least 2 different kinds of food/spice just to survive.