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Thread: Best KD Special?

Achyutathewook
Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:40 am
#1

Currently I am using FireKnockdown, but I am not having a whole lot of luck. What is the most effective KD for PVP?



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memnoch37
Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:56 am
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The best KD for PvP isactually a dizzy/PD.Any serious PvPer will have high Def vs KD. I use Confusion Shot/FASand AS1 for singles, and FAA and AS2 for groups. Although I just can't help myself from firing off CS2 more than I should... the random off chance that you KD like 5+ people at once is just too good to pass up.


Andsince we've both just mentioned BH specials in the Carbineer board,expectto be banned for a week






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FligityFligity
Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:37 am
#3

no charge shot wins cause it has the animation



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TAfirehawk
Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:56 pm
#4






memnoch37 wrote:


Andsince we've both just mentioned BH specials in the Carbineer board,expectto be banned for a week




*rolls eyes*




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Achyutathewook
Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:45 pm
#5

Seriously.... what is the best KD special?



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memnoch37
Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:02 pm
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Achyutathewook wrote:

Seriously.... what is the best KD special?







Hahaha ok ok... There's really been a lot of debate about this one. Not counting CS2 since its cone, we have CS1, Underhand Shot, and FKD. All three have, at one time, been considered by various peopleto have the highest raw % chance to KD. I personally do not know and cannot recall any hard numbers ever being provided.


For me,I stick with FKD just because it has a dizzy on it and itand both states seem to land pretty reliably in combat.When I used CS1/Underhand shot for a whileIcould not tell that big of a difference at allso I stuck with FKD.Also, I am short on toolbar space and having multiple single target KD attacks is a wastefor me.


Tons of people swear Underhand shot is better because it has lower HAM and(supposedly) a higher chance to KD. And people say the exactsame thing about CS1...


Haha but then again, since we're in the Carbineer forum, the real answer is CS1, since it's the only one that exists


I'd love to finally put this to rest with some good testing and hard numbers. But of course with the CURB coming up who knows what'll change...







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AdmiralSpy
Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:56 pm
#7

Yeah, sadly there's no "direct" best special.


We just go with the assumption that the more "expensive" it is to get in terms of Skillpoints, the more effective it is, which would put FireKD at the top.


Get a Stun in first, though. LegShot or WildShot, or even Confusion/Spray if you have 'em, are great for that.. or FullAuto.. well, you get the point. Stun em.


Using ActionShot1/2 or even SuppressionFire1/2 are then your best bet. I rarely bother with KDs since everyone and their mother who doesn't have KD defenses is on Thakatillo, which is worse.. I mean, not only can you barely KD them, but when you do they auto-recover and get back up instantly.


Stun, Dizzy.. and posture down. Follow with a KD from there if they're smart and don't move (and are kneeling).. or just wait for them to flop if they're not.



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puddles123
Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:43 pm
#8






memnoch37 wrote:

The best KD for PvP isactually a dizzy/PD.Any serious PvPer will have high Def vs KD. I use Confusion Shot/FASand AS1 for singles, and FAA and AS2 for groups. Although I just can't help myself from firing off CS2 more than I should... the random off chance that you KD like 5+ people at once is just too good to pass up.


Andsince we've both just mentioned BH specials in the Carbineer board,expectto be banned for a week






thats not true


best straightup duelist on gorath has only 66 def vs kd but like 118 def vs dizzy...my carbineer friend spammed FAS2 and FAA2 and confusion, fire kd...all of them throughout 3 duels he didnt stick 1 dizzy, but did happen to land abuot 6 KD's...even though he gets kd'd, he stands up and the most important thing is you cant /bu while dizzy, so if u cant dizzy him and u try to kite, hes gonna catch you...


i think firekd works best in pve, but tends to do more dizzying than knocking down in pvp...i like underhand and charge 2 in pvp...but as others have said, theres really not a good way to determine this because its mostly random



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memnoch37
Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:10 pm
#9






puddles123 wrote:





memnoch37 wrote:

The best KD for PvP isactually a dizzy/PD.Any serious PvPer will have high Def vs KD. I use Confusion Shot/FASand AS1 for singles, and FAA and AS2 for groups. Although I just can't help myself from firing off CS2 more than I should... the random off chance that you KD like 5+ people at once is just too good to pass up.


Andsince we've both just mentioned BH specials in the Carbineer board,expectto be banned for a week






thats not true


best straightup duelist on gorath has only 66 def vs kd but like 118 def vs dizzy...my carbineer friend spammed FAS2 and FAA2 and confusion, fire kd...all of them throughout 3 duels he didnt stick 1 dizzy, but did happen to land abuot 6 KD's...even though he gets kd'd, he stands up and the most important thing is you cant /bu while dizzy, so if u cant dizzy him and u try to kite, hes gonna catch you...


i think firekd works best in pve, but tends to do more dizzying than knocking down in pvp...i like underhand and charge 2 in pvp...but as others have said, theres really not a good way to determine this because its mostly random






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Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:16 am
#10

auto recover ?

I heared about that, but wasnt sure what it mean.
From what i got to know from reading the boards, your target recovers automatically from the first knock down when he gets hit with another one.
Is that right.
At least, since I heared that, I noticed that my target instantly gets up when i hit him after a KD from a underhand shot with a fireknock down but stays on the ground more often and longer when i take him out with burstshots.

So what is this autorecover in real?

In addition to: what is the best KD shot.
If you read the description to underhand shot its talking about an unaware target.
I have high KD rates when I use underhand shot as my first attack on a target. But lower when im using it already in a fight.
In a fight I stick with fireknowdown and dizzy is the best stat you can get on a target.

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TAfirehawk
Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:42 am
#11






Achyutathewook wrote:

Seriously.... what is the best KD special?







I have always thought LowBlow and TKA KD were the best.....


The Modifiers for the Carbineer KD's seem to be relatively close so you won't notice much if any real difference in-game.




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galvatronicus
Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:07 pm
#12






TAfirehawk wrote:





Achyutathewook wrote:

Seriously.... what is the best KD special?







I have always thought LowBlow and TKA KD were the best.....


The Modifiers for the Carbineer KD's seem to be relatively close so you won't notice much if any real difference in-game.





Low blow is absolutelymore powerful. When my smuggler friend and I were hunting Gorax we each tried a battle spamming KD and he KD'd the gorax at least4x over the course of a fight while I KD'd it only one time with underhand shot.




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TAfirehawk
Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:08 pm
#13






galvatronicus wrote:





TAfirehawk wrote:





Achyutathewook wrote:

Seriously.... what is the best KD special?







I have always thought LowBlow and TKA KD were the best.....


The Modifiers for the Carbineer KD's seem to be relatively close so you won't notice much if any real difference in-game.





Low blow is absolutelymore powerful. When my smuggler friend and I were hunting Gorax we each tried a battle spamming KD and he KD'd the gorax at least4x over the course of a fight while I KD'd it only one time with underhand shot.







Now if I can only convince the Devs of such facts......



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