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Thread: There are no issues with carabineer in pvp

Spyce_Slanga
Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:05 pm
#1

Dont say there is cause there isnt im too good as it is. I dont pve by the way so i wouldnt know about that stuff.



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satanis
Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:38 am
#2

You come shoot me. I'll just use Stim-B. You tell me when your bored.

There are 5 top issues - everyone single one of those is relevant in PvP too.



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masdalasa
Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:15 am
#3

ok....so what is it...


ive been wanting to do carbineer for a while and i like to pvp. Im also master doctor. Ive picked up carbineer twice and dropped it both times because of everything i hear and read on forums and in game. So...what is it...is carbineer good in pvp or is it crap?


Would a experienced master please answer this question for me?


and how much would it help me to be Master Doctor and master carbineer?


And is it true that since carbineer has no stun damage that any battle against a buffed/armoed person you will lose?


Just wandering because ive been wanting to do carbs for quite some time now. Any opinions or comments would be appreciated


Scar


Master Doctor


currently 4443 Heavy Swordsman


masdalasa
Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:16 am
#4

OH....


and i mean master carbineer ONLY, not master carbineer/ BH carbines, im keeping mdoc and cant do bh



Scar


Gildresh-Otal
Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:39 am
#5

I'd say at master you are about on average with most players.


I also have master CH to go along with my master carbineer and it helps me a bunch.


Mostly bepends on what you are up agenst.


I've taken 2 MBH's by my self but I've also been owned by a fincer/rifelmem.


Just depends on your style.





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Lihpson
Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:40 am
#6

Hitting the speed cap (or close to it)is one of the biggest parts of being a succesfull pvper. With carabineer that is rather difficult. You can probably hit the cap with stardard weapons that get speed sliced and speed puped, but then this drastically take away from you damage. If you can find a fast carbine with good damage, that you can get a damage slice and min/max powerup, then your in business. Also good armor (w/ stun helm at least) is a must. With good armor and a fast, powerful carbine, you should be able to compete in pvp reasonable well. This doesnt garentee you a win every fight, but you should do well. Picking up almost any melee profession will give you an even bigger advanced W/ defenses, etc, but even without them you should still do well.


O yeah...and dont try and do anything without doc buffs (shouldnt be hard for you to find them:smileyhappy. In a full suit of light composite I will usually kill myself in 2-3 specials unbuffed. Food and spice can help with this, but doc buffs are the best.





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Spyce_Slanga
Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:16 pm
#7

yeah its pretty much just the noobs that complain on these forums with master doc carbine is pure ownage you just need to know how to play.



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OnlyMaestro
Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:32 pm
#8

Fire on my 80% armor resists to heat, energy and acid, while I eat KD food.


I'll fire Headhit3 at speed cap with my Krayt Jawa Rifle. I win, you lose 100% of the time.



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buster
Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:46 pm
#9





Fire on my 80% armor resists to heat, energy and acid, while I eat KD food.


I'll fire Headhit3 at speed cap with my Krayt Jawa Rifle. I win, you lose 100% of the time.




wanna come duel me? i betcha i'll get you.


there are issues with carbineers. mainly speed. if we're firing automatic guns we should be hella fast but not too accurate...you gotta look that the profs kinda how they are in real life:


pistoleer = pistol


carbineer = machine gun


rifleman = big slow rifle


if they would let us fire faster everything would be all good....we shouldn't have good aiming but we should be the fastest proffesion and be able to mow down groups.


i learn more stuff about carbineer daily. i had my first pvp death in 2 weeks today when i got swarmed by 3 rifleman. there's not much i can do when i got 3 people spamming headshot3 at me faster than i can use wildshot2+fullautoarea+actionshot2. granted i have equipment that is quite above par. and i've learned alot from other carbineers on these forums. today i was having a terribly hard time hitting this fencer decked out in armor w/uber attachments on it. fortunately he was a nice guy and even though we were both overt he never db'd. even though he could have and bragged how he pwned me. instead he was kind enough to let me practice combo's on him till i found out how to beat him.


carbineer does have issues in pvp. mainly spd. a stun weapon would be nice, but not needed. or if they'd increase the chances of landing a blind/dizzy/stun in one shot that'd also be extremely helpful to land all 3 in one shot on the first shot or two. you really do need an above par carbine to be effective. and unfortunatly they're a bit harder to get. where as a rifleman can get a decent t-21 or jawa ion from his local weaponsmith. where as i have to go to the finest weaponsmith on our server who has old resources, has maxed all the bonuses he can get with skill tapes, and has good krayt tissues.


to say that carbineer doesn't have issues is really a bunch of bull. yes i'm good at pvp. but really when it comes down to it, it's just my experience and my equipment. i use everysingle move i have pretty much (except legshot, i don't see the use in it for pvp) i have 5 stinking awesome carbines. but not every carbineer has this or will ever reach it. instead they decide "hey i'll go buy a jawa ion and spam headshot3." no thinking, no troubles, easy pwning.


i'm sorry if it seems like i'm singling rifleman out. it's not just rifleman, you can do it with Pistoleer, TKM, Fencer, Commando and CM.





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XingYuen
Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:15 am
#10

I think carbineer is a great additional to my PvP template for crowd control, status effects, and to prevent kiting but against fully armored buffed players, it's damage is a little too low.




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rhian_tarq
Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:13 am
#11

I really wanna know what you do to win...cause literally people would regen faster than my carbine did damage.. Even if I did manage to damage them they can just heal themselves back up since we rarely hit the mind stat. Yes I hit people with all my status effects...And, sure the status effects help. But the fact remains that I cant kill anyone with my carbine, unless they are unarmored and better yet unbuffed.


I think the point is the equipment is insane in the needs for carbines to be effective. Do I really need to farm the corvette all day and hope down the line some miracle will come along and give me a 350-450 2.9 speed laser carbine and get a 30% damage slice on it? Or any of those legendary weapons? Heck, even then if we're factoring legendary weapons into the equasionwouldn't a rifleman with a legendary t21 just blow the socks off that carbineer with his legendary laser carb?


Then again on my server you get people running around with 90% resist armor and riflemen who love to intimidate you and run off again. Its just impossible to deal with. One day I hope to go back to pvp as a carbineer....but for now I dropped all my carbines and I'm pveing with a heavy sword...



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XingYuen
Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:20 am
#12

I've never considered the carbine to be the machine gun of Star Wars. I've always thought of it to be more like the shotgun of Star Wars. Leaving the pistol as the fastest, us somewhere in the middle with some area effect and crowd control, and Rifleman slower but high damage. Of coures the game has skewed this view some.




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buster
Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:59 am
#13




I really wanna know what you do to win...cause literally people would regen faster than my carbine did damage.. Even if I did manage to damage them they can just heal themselves back up since we rarely hit the mind stat. Yes I hit people with all my status effects...And, sure the status effects help. But the fact remains that I cant kill anyone with my carbine, unless they are unarmored and better yet unbuffed.


I think the point is the equipment is insane in the needs for carbines to be effective. Do I really need to farm the corvette all day and hope down the line some miracle will come along and give me a 350-450 2.9 speed laser carbine and get a 30% damage slice on it? Or any of those legendary weapons? Heck, even then if we're factoring legendary weapons into the equasionwouldn't a rifleman with a legendary t21 just blow the socks off that carbineer with his legendary laser carb?


Then again on my server you get people running around with 90% resist armor and riflemen who love to intimidate you and run off again. Its just impossible to deal with. One day I hope to go back to pvp as a carbineer....but for now I dropped all my carbines and I'm pveing with a heavy sword...






ohh dude, a carbineer can't be effective without some kind of above par weapon. you're right ppl will regen faster than you can kill them. i had an Investigator/Master Carbineer practicing on me last night, i let him stick a dizzy/kd and he held me down for a while but it wasn't making much of a dent..when i finally stood up i healed my damage dizzy/kd'd him right back and spamming scattershot2 til his mind was gone




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