Carbineer Archive
Thread: Ok, new template help :)
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Drag00n169
Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:21 pm
#1
My current templates in the sig...but I've decided to steer away from the bh line to become a 'pure' carbineer. The template I've decided to go for is:
M.carbineer/TKM/m.brawler/combat prowess 4444/ Enhanced Reflexes 0200
I guess I like to be different lol...the ultimate kd'er!! rofl(and take some thak so I wont be on my back the whole fight 
)
)I decided to get the melee speed because I've read that enhanced ranged speed is broken right now. When its fixed could I drop it can get reflexes 2400? Also, would m.marksman be a better choice for this template, as the extra speed and accuracy could help, since TKM doesnt need any more help. Another thing, without the bh carbines tree...will I still be able to use carbines in PVP? I noticed the accuracy would drop from 190 to 160 and speed tapes for carbineer would be an issue aswell...Any ideas?
Message Edited by Drag00n169 on 10-25-2004 08:31 PM
TAfirehawk
Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:27 pm
#2
I don't think Master Brawler or Master Marksman are worth it on their own....but that is just my opinion.
I build templates based on using my Carbines 100% of the time, so TKM or even Master Fencer is pointless to me as well.
Others that know more than me have spoken and been copied in the FAQ for more info....
Nadiel26
Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:42 am
#3
master brawler isn't really worth it for a TKM. the mods it adds dont do anyting really. besides the slightly better CoB and int2 you wont be using anything else. also master combat prowess is pointless since TKM gets 205 acc and 100+ speed at master. here's is what i suggest
TKM
Master Carbineer
2400 prowess
2420 fencer
4400 reflxes
you'll end up with:
124 melee
124 ranged defense
85 vs KD
80 posture change
110 counterattack
sumner
Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:24 am
#4
If memory serves me right it is not possible to drop FS skills once you learn them.
Envoy3113
Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:56 am
#5
To go against the grain, the intimidate 2, WC 2, and lunge 2 are priceless moves. Worth the price IF you are willing to use the sp's for those 3 moves. The increased defensive nature of MB is a must for any tank...but if your not planning on tanking...
OryakaDrake
Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:26 pm
#6
Absolutely wrong about the FS speed. FS speed doesnt work like normal speed mods do, it is a seperate system of its own. With a capped TKM and +12 to FS speed you will do so much more damage per second its not even funny(see, you hit faster than 1 time per second, even thought it doesnt appear that way). You will basically notice a huge difference in the damage of a speed capped profession after Force Sensitive speed is added to it.
Try this temp out bro... you may just end up liking it
Master TK
Master Carbineer
0044 Pistoleer (you can use a geo pistol this way, along with poison pistols, which are very helpful in pvp) (oh and if you cant do any damage with your non stun weapons switch to a stun weapon and stick it to their health bar, and clean up with your TKM)
2404 Combat Prowess
4400 reflexes
Basically the ranged accuracy and melee accuracy is bunk, however you have two points left over so i put em in ranged accuracy. Here are the mods with this Template bro... You are gonna need carbine speed and accuracy tapes without bh to be really effective with carb though.
Carbine Accuracy+130
Carbine Accuracy While Moving+30
Carbine Accuracy While Moving+30
Carbine Aiming+25
Carbine Speed+60
Carbine Speed+60
Counterattack+105
Pistol Accuracy+55
Pistol Accuracy While Standing+15
Pistol Accuracy While Standing+15
Pistol Speed+54
Dodge+10
Defense vs Blind+50
Defense vs Dizzy+45
Defense vs Intimidate+25
Defense vs Intimidate+25
Defense vs Knockdown+85
Defense vs Posture Change+50
Defense vs Posture Change+50
Defense vs Stun+55
Enhanced Melee Speed+12
Enhanced Ranged Accuracy+6
Enhanced Ranged Accuracy+6
Enhanced Ranged Speed+12
Meditate+100
Meditate+100
Melee Mitigation+3
Ranged Mitigation+5
Pistol Accuracy+55
Pistol Accuracy While Standing+15
Pistol Accuracy While Standing+15
Pistol Speed+54
Melee Defense+122
Melee Defense+122
Ranged Defense+94
Defense Acuity+96
Meditate+100
Combat Equilibrium+55
Unarmed Accuracy+205
Unarmed Center of being duration+30
Unarmed Center of being duration+30
Unarmed Center of being efficacy+90
Unarmed Damage+245
Unarmed Damage+245
Unarmed Speed+115
Oryaka Drake
Naritus
Master Carbineer/ Master Dabbler
"Inside the darkness of reality you will find me"
Founding Member: Birds of Prey
TAfirehawk
Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:40 pm
#7
OryakaDrake wrote:
Absolutely wrong about the FS speed.FS speed doesnt work like normal speed mods do, it is a seperate system of its own.With a capped TKM and +12 to FS speed you will do so much more damage per second its not even funny(see,you hit faster than 1 time per second, even thought it doesnt appear that way). You will basically notice a huge difference in the damage of a speed capped profession after Force Sensitive speed is added to it.
Oryaka Drake
Naritus
Master Carbineer/ Master Dabbler
"Inside the darkness of reality you will find me"
Founding Member: Birds of Prey
Pardon me, but you are FLAT OUT WRONG as clearly shown here and here.
Oh and the 1.0 second Speed Cap is a server limitation that can not be bypassed without hacking the game....which results in quick banning.
Drag00n169
Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:03 pm
#8
Cool thanks guys. I've heard some things ingame about how in the combat balance you cant stack defenses anymore...is this true? If this is true, I might even go carbineer/pikeman or carbineer/tkm with some medic/scout or something
TAfirehawk
Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:20 pm
#9
Drag00n169 wrote:
Cool thanks guys. I've heard some things ingame about how in the combat balance you cant stack defenses anymore...is this true? If this is true, I might even go carbineer/pikeman or carbineer/tkm with some medic/scout or something
There will always be prof stacking in the form of many templates for many purposes...even after the Combat Upgrade....
It is a real shame how many folks are making crap up on the Forums and In-Game that don't have a clue.....don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you read, see it to believe it 
OryakaDrake
Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:47 pm
#10
Hey ta, thanks for calling me an idiot... makes me fell like your a great person. I seriously thought that if you did that you went faster than speed cap, as right when they put this stuff out, my friend went from doing damage number X to doing a lot more than damage number x using all of the same weapons armor and everyhting(he had a free tree and learned it right there). So in all actuality i had a justification for my statements, and saying what you just did about how people make everything up.. even if it wasnt directed at me makes me fell as if it were.
I think you need to go to niceness school.... haha. There take that
Oryaka Drake
Naritus
Naritus
Master Carbineer/ Master Dabbler
"In the darkness of reality you will find me"
Founding Member: Birds of Prey -Prey-
DeathIage
Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:13 pm
#11
he was merely pointing out that u were wrong...its better that he said this wasnt true instead of the guy whos asking for help grinding all that FS xp to find out that u cant hit more than once per second.
TAfirehawk
Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:43 am
#12
OryakaDrake wrote:
Hey ta, thanks for calling me an idiot... makes me fell like your a great person. I seriously thought that if you did that you went faster than speed cap, as right when they put this stuff out, my friend went from doing damage number X to doing a lot more than damage number x using all of the same weapons armor and everyhting(he had a free tree and learned it right there). So in all actuality i had a justification for my statements, and saying what you just did about how people make everything up.. even if it wasnt directed at me makes me fell as if it were.
I think you need to go to niceness school.... haha. There take that
Oryaka Drake
Naritus
Master Carbineer/ Master Dabbler
"In the darkness of reality you will find me"
Founding Member: Birds of Prey -Prey-
I didn't call you an idiot or even imply anything, but if you got the wrong impression I am sorry.....you seem to have clearly pointed out all about yourself that we needed to hear here.....and my tone just matched your tone, all I try to do is communicate on the same level as each individual poster here.....amazing how I get accused of not being nice when all the other people don't....being a Corr doesn't change anything for me 
BTW, without some reproducible data the "feeling" of doing more damage doind X vs doing Y is merely opinion....we try to deal in facts as much as possible here.
jedimaster1141
Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:19 am
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TAfirehawk wrote:
OryakaDrake wrote:
Hey ta, thanks for calling me an idiot... makes me fell like your a great person. I seriously thought that if you did that you went faster than speed cap, as right when they put this stuff out, my friend went from doing damage number X to doing a lot more than damage number x using all of the same weapons armor and everyhting(he had a free tree and learned it right there). So in all actuality i had a justification for my statements, and saying what you just did about how people make everything up.. even if it wasnt directed at me makes me fell as if it were.
I think you need to go to niceness school.... haha. There take that
Oryaka Drake
Naritus
Master Carbineer/ Master Dabbler
"In the darkness of reality you will find me"
Founding Member: Birds of Prey -Prey-
I didn't call you an idiot or even imply anything, but if you got the wrong impression I am sorry.....you seem to have clearly pointed out all about yourself that we needed to hear here.....and my tone just matched your tone, all I try to do is communicate on the same level as each individual poster here.....amazing how I get accused of not being nice when all the other people don't....being a Corr doesn't change anything for me
BTW, without some reproducible data the "feeling" of doing more damage doind X vs doing Y is merely opinion....we try to deal in facts as much as possible here.
See? Im not even the only one that thinks the same way. TAfirehawk, I know you're very knowledgeable about the carbineer profession, but when someone says something wrong, I think you need to be a little nicer about it instead of calling them stupid or dumb or whatever, and crying to the mods to have the thread deleted.
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