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Thread: Entertainer's Have NO Credits!

Divinion
Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:16 am
#1

Thanks to the removal of Battle Fatigue from the game in the last Publish, Publish 20, Entertainers cannot serve a purpose worthy enough to receive tips for their services. A lot of people do not tip in the first place, nothing can be done about that unlesss you get the entire Cantina to use /covercharge. I have noticed the large decrease in the casual tips since the last publish. Entertainers need to have something to replace the lost abilities.


Giving Dancers the ability to make props cost money, but doesn't earn you any extra money from spectators.

Entertainers being Screwed: 1 : Dancers: 0


Giving Dancer the new dance moves, doesn't earn you any extra money from spectators.

Entertainers being Screwed: 2 : Dancers: 0


Giving Dancers new effects, doesn't earn you any extra money from spectators.

Entertainers being Screwed: 3 : Dancers: 0


Giving Musicians the ability to craft and use the same instrument in the same skill box, makes it so you can't sell instruments to others who cannot make them.

Entertainers being Screwed: 4 : Musicians: 0


Giving Musicians a new song, doesn't earn you any extra money from spectators.

Entertainers being Screwed: 5 : Musicians: 0


Giving Musicians new effects, doesn't earn you any extra money from spectators.

Entertainers being Screwed: 6 : Musicians: 0


Leaving Entertainers with the soul purpose of giving players an "opinional" xp buff, DECREASES their worth in the game down to almost 0.

Entertainers being Screwed: 7 : Musicians: 0



Hmmm...If I cannot make money as an entertainer, how can I train my skills? The answer, I can't. If I know I cannot train my skills, neither can anyone else, do you think I will waste my time playing an Entertainer? HELL NO! What was going through your minds as the developers who came up with this brillant idea to remove Battle Fatigue and not give us something else we can heal, or even buff. You just eliminated almost an entire Profession Tree + Elite Trees because of this publish. If you wish to keep people wanting to play an Entertainer Profession, Do something to make them WANT to play.


Oh I can't just go without stating the good thing about this publish. The ONLY good thing is that you changed Entertainer Healing xp to Entertainer xp which = to 1/2 of the Musicial/Dancing xp. And decreased the required xp for skill blocks. STILL, this isn't preventing the AFK grinding.
psikobunny
Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:22 am
#2


While I agree the new changes have made life for entertainers harder, your post sounds whiny and immature. You sound like you expect to be given money just for being there. I never ask for tips, I earn them. I do what I can to truly entertain the people who come in, and it makes me sad to see people who think the game owes them a living.


If you're truly that hard up for cash, do Entertainer missions. You'd make more than enough money for training. Sounds like the groups your in aren't even worth it, if they're not helping by teaching skills.


Should we have an environment where playersare encouragedto visit us, and are discouraged from AFKing their way through the professions and making our play area unlivable? yes.


Should the game force people to give you money for just being there? no, not if you're not working for it.





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Oxala
Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:41 am
#3

usually entertainers are afk, and I still think that in order for a entertainer to get a tip .... well they should entertain.



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BadChef
Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:20 am
#4

Theres a duo that plays alot on ahazi at the rori rebel outpost. They usualy put on a good show, interacting with everyone. They make good tips far as I know. I do think entertainers are underpaid right now and hopefully it'l pick up soon, but they're not dead yet.




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rocco81b
Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:46 am
#5






Oxala wrote:
usually entertainers are afk, and I still think that in order for a entertainer to get a tip .... well they should entertain.





Anytime I go up to a group ina cantina, I start with 'who is not afk' If I get no response, then I listen/watch someone, until I am done, then I just leave. If I get a response, then I goto that person. watch them, talk, enjoy it, then I tip them. I will NOT tip somebody who isn't friendly. I will NOT tip somebody for being AFK. Thats like getting money whether you goto work or not.



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ZeroRyouko
Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:35 am
#6

I always tip my entertainers a few thousand credits, as longas I can find one who isn't /afk.


And if they go that extra mile to really entertain people, then I tip them a muchlarger amount. For example:If they are talking to the people watching, putting on a show with a droid or props, singing a song in spatial chat, or even just having a bio that's entertaining to read. Anything that makes the visit to the cantina interesting.


There's nothing more boring than going to the cantina for an inspiration buff, and seeing the same old dance and song routine I've seen a thousand times over the last two years. If you are not going to do anything special to deserve a big tip, than I'm not going to give it to ya.




Pawlin
Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:47 am
#7

Let me get this straight, they give you new props, new dance moves, new effects, a new song and you cite it as part of "Entertainers being Screwed"??


You don't need money to pay an NPC trainer. Theres plenty of masters around to teach people.






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Epofa
Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:49 pm
#8


I don't know if removing bf has made it harder for an entertainer progress. Before you had to have people watching you, now you can just afk grind everything. I'm not an entertainer, so correct me if I"m wrong, but you get xp based on flourishes.. no?
GlargTheKelfn
Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:57 am
#9

drop on a dark jedi sentinal on the afk entertainers!




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psikobunny
Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:37 am
#10






Pawlin wrote:

Let me get this straight, they give you new props, new dance moves, new effects, a new song and you cite it as part of "Entertainers being Screwed"??






New song and dance won't get noticed by most of the populace, and props and effects are good for one visit of "oooh ahhhh" and that's about it. The point was we're being given cosmetic fluff as a replacement for our role within the game, and told "good stuff is coming" How many of you guys would trust a Dev that promised that?



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Made it before all hell broke loose.



rocco81b
Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:28 am
#11






psikobunny wrote:






Pawlin wrote:

Let me get this straight, they give you new props, new dance moves, new effects, a new song and you cite it as part of "Entertainers being Screwed"??






New song and dance won't get noticed by most of the populace, and props and effects are good for one visit of "oooh ahhhh" and that's about it. The point was we're being given cosmetic fluff as a replacement for our role within the game, and told "good stuff is coming" How many of you guys would trust a Dev that promised that?





ummm, creature handlers and smugglers have been hearing that for a long time....



Some people are like slinkies; pretty useless, but still fun to push down the stairs.

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Pawlin
Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:29 pm
#12






psikobunny wrote:






Pawlin wrote:

Let me get this straight, they give you new props, new dance moves, new effects, a new song and you cite it as part of "Entertainers being Screwed"??






New song and dance won't get noticed by most of the populace, and props and effects are good for one visit of "oooh ahhhh" and that's about it. The point was we're being given cosmetic fluff as a replacement for our role within the game, and told "good stuff is coming" How many of you guys would trust a Dev that promised that?






But the cosmetic fluff isn't part of the problem. Its still new stuff that should be appreciated. The OP cited it as evidence of how entertianers were being 'screwed'.



I understand the unhappiness about the removal of BF. But the new stuff isn't cause for unhappiness.





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Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ

Oprolan the Wookiee of Sunrunner. Cheap resources W. Daeric Talus (-639 -3058)
"Worst FF ever *thumbsdown*" -- Pawlin fan club
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Giamai
Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:52 pm
#13

the major problem from what i can tell is the same problem that has always been there....afk entertainers


i pay for my inspiration buff (and until recently heal ups) only if the entertainer was there and able to interact with me in some way. usually 5k per buff...same as i used to pay for single stat mind buffs pre-CU


afk people get nothing.


i know i am not the only one who follows this same policy.


there are many times i go into a cantina and find nothing but afk people...in which case, i get a free buff.


spamming "please tip me" does not inspire me to do so


talk to people and work with them to build up a clientele of sorts and until the afk buffbot issue is no longer in game, perhaps you can make some cash. otherwise, i don't know what to tell you. there have always been fave people on ahazi so i know its not impossible





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