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Thread: non-Auction Auctions

Ta-Swavo
Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:28 pm
#1


I know I am suggesting a curb of the way some people work nowadays but the aspect of

AUCTIONS on Bazaar that are NOT auctions is a joke of the system - it's abuse of the system

The option is AUCTION - it is NOT auction/advert

PLEASE sort this out

If the maximum amount is reached then the sale should go through AS IF SOLD - immediately

this way - people can still advertise sales with their Bazaar items but ot for WEEKS where no-one can bid or buy the item advertised


Devs - is the Bazaar to be an advertising board - I think you'll find 98% of people do NOT like this - the other 2% do it

admitedly some people use it - but it should NOT be like this

sort out the spamming on the Planet Auction chatline and someone might read that too - I use to - but one whole planet is usually spammed 95% by two or three people AFK advertising their shops

I'd like to buy a banner - forget it - looking for what is not on offer in those shops is a nightmare


PLEASE sort this out - it's bad for merchants (other than those who do it)- bad for players

and the non-auction adverts are subverting the rules of the game for gain - sorry but according to your rules that is NOT ON - 24-48 ban (not longer needed)


just do it - they bend the rules on purpose

they NEVER sell for the price advertised but it remains as advertisement for over a week

ban it or tell us it's ok - and we'll all screw up the system you set up




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Cafa
Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:33 pm
#2


/agree


Just a way for people to get around spending points for Merchant skills.


You should not be able to get GALAXY-WIDE advertising without spending the skill points.


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Pawlin
Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:02 pm
#3






Ta-Swavo wrote:


...

Devs - is the Bazaar to be an advertising board - I think you'll find 98% of people do NOT like this - the other 2% do it

...





I think its probably more likely that 90% of people don't care at all mostly cause they never go to the bazaars, 8% do not like it and 2% do it.


FirstI must admit that I used to use the auctions on the bazaar to advertise my shop location. I considered it an advertising 'trick' rather than some sort of sinister exploit to screw over merchants.


Most people don't visit the bazaar much if at all nowadays. THe maximum value there is 6k. For experienced players not much can be bought for <6k. So most people go straight to player vendors since thats the only place to buy composite armor, good DX2 guns, X-wing chassisblueprintsor crates of brandy. So advertising on the bazaar has minimal real impact.


If someone is looking for a shop, they do not go to the bazaar. They go straight to the map which has the vendor listings cause they know that is where shops are listed.





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Doo-Boo
Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:15 am
#4



Pawlin wrote:


Ta-Swavo wrote:
...
Devs - is the Bazaar to be an advertising board - I think you'll find 98% of people do NOT like this - the other 2% do it
...


I think its probably more likely that 90% of people don't care at all mostly cause they never go to the bazaars, 8% do not like it and 2% do it.

First I must admit that I used to use the auctions on the bazaar to advertise my shop location. I considered it an advertising 'trick' rather than some sort of sinister exploit to screw over merchants.

Most people don't visit the bazaar much if at all nowadays. THe maximum value there is 6k. For experienced players not much can be bought for <6k. So most people go straight to player vendors since thats the only place to buy composite armor, good DX2 guns, X-wing chassis blueprints or crates of brandy. So advertising on the bazaar has minimal real impact.

If someone is looking for a shop, they do not go to the bazaar. They go straight to the map which has the vendor listings cause they know that is where shops are listed.




I'm glad that 90% of the populatioon doesn't go to the bazaar. you can find great deals if you spend a little time looking.

I do agree with the original post that once the 6k max is reached on a bazaar auction, the item should be sold and taken off the bazaar.



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AudioOrgana
Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:33 pm
#5

I have to say, I am normally all for the creative use of existing in-game systems, but this one is really getting out of hand.

There is NO point to auctions on bazaars except to be exploited. If something is worth auctioning off, it's worth more than 6K. The only auctions that exist are advertising and people storing things - like backpacks full of loot (free 7-day storage).

We need to provide a universal advertising system throughout the galaxy, but the auction on the bazaar really serves no legitimate use.

While we are at it, how about updating the bazaar to remove those categories like "signs" and "eyewear" that don't even exist as tradable objects...

AO
Pawlin
Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:32 pm
#6

Why do 6k auctions irritate people? Honestly, I can't see why people seem so annoyed about it.


Does this harm you in some way? Or is it simply just annoying to have to see 6k auctions on the bazaar? Or is it a matter of principle?


To me it seems pretty trivial. I don't mean to criticise people that dislike it, but I'm just trying to understand.





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OdiousEncounter
Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:38 pm
#7

I didn't know this was considered annoying. I find bazaar adverts much nicer than someone spamming outside of the Coronet starport, and sometimes they're even useful.



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Pawlin
Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:31 am
#8






Pawlin wrote:


I think its probably more likely that 90% of people don't care at all mostly cause they never go to the bazaars, 8% do not like it and 2% do it.






/remove-foot-from-mouth


Ok, looks like I assumed completely wrong about how many people use the bazaar. It appears that most people do go to the bazaar fairly regularly.





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Ta-Swavo
Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:20 pm
#9

It's not that this burns me up with hatred or that it keeps me awake at night


But, whenI'm trawling the Galaxy for a particular item for sale (to see if it's there at all)I'd rather not have to sort on auction/instant to remove the adverts - there is not an 'adverts' option so if something is NEVER intended for sale then it is not right.


btw - I do NOT object to folks putting up auctions with big advertisements - only the fact that these auctions are NEVER completed - they are pulled, or the auctioner immediately gets a friend to put in the full price. I used to advertise by naming the items I made (carbines) with the location of my vendor.


I know this system works and, as OdiousEncounter stated, it's better than folks spamming at the starports. It's not an exploitation of a bug - but it is exploitation of a game facility that was not designed forthis.


Maybe they could put in a filter button so that people could search for 'Instant' or 'Auction' or 'both' - but I guess this would be unacceptable to those that want to intrude on the bazaare experience of others. Now that is bazaar.






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Tinkergirl
Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:28 pm
#10

How about an item that people with business II can make - an advert item.

It could then sit on the bazaar in it's own category (there are spare categories lying around). Maybe you then pay for a length of time to stay up.

Any harder to make, and people would just stick with the insta-auctions. Any more expensive and they'd stick to the insta-auctions.

But an item that could be crafted, that would exist purely to be an add and stay on the bazaar for 7+days without the 'minor hassle' of an insta-auction, that people could sort by, might be useful.



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Neyhod
Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:25 pm
#11

I advertise that way. it brings in a lot of business. If they change it they simply remove a way for me to get out the message. I am a Master merchant. This would leave me with 1. word of mouth, 2. spamming (albiet every 60 seconds not every 5 seconds) the planetary and auction channels and 3. placing a single vendor on all planets to try and get business by exposure.

I am suprised by your annoyance.

perhaps you should petition the devs to give merchants a way to advertise in public like

1. BILLBOARDS (rent a billboard galaxy wide, 10,000 credits a day, see your business location in LIGHTS!)
2. Hired droid barkers (annoying)

ANy suggestions for alternatives?
Stl2aNgE
Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:19 pm
#12

I have seen some good come out of people doing this with the Bazaar. Seems like everyone and their dog is convinced that they can NOT possibly craft anything worth a crap without a +43 or better crafting station. Since I wear my Master Architect tag, I get tells daily from people wanting these infernal machines. And there is a person who has an ad on bazaar for these so-called super crafting stations, so i tell them to look for his ad, and go to his shop.

It is business for him, and less hassle for me. I have seen a lot of people use this route to auction off some really great items, people who are strictly combat with no SP left over for merchant.

And you have to think about it like this, most everyone has found a good deal from people using this method to get something that have truly wanted, so why gripe about it?

It all goes along with people griping just to have something to gripe about. Personally, no one makes you pay that $15 a month to play the game, so why gripe.

Also, whoever runs this madhouse has to think of ALL the people playing the game not just a few whinebags who are put out over something so trivial as this.



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Sunakk
Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:52 pm
#13

A suggestion raised in this forum was to remove the cap of bazaar auctions. Here is the thread. This would solve the advertising problem, which is quite frustrating when you think you've found a deal only to realize it's an auction that can't be bid on because it's at it's cap (and was set at that cap intentionally).

No-cap auctions on the bazaar would be a way to bring people back to the bazaar, and would be a function missing in SWG. Personal vendors don't auction (that I know of), and trade forums can be terribly frustrating to search through. This seems like a good, simple solution. And another small money sink would be good for the economy.



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