Business And Economy Archive
Thread: We need a Category Revamp NOW!!!
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Tirranus
Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:07 pm
#1
Before the Vendor "Search" feature was announced, the item category system in SWG was woefully broken. With the amont of items on the bazaar about to effectively rise by about a factor of 1000, we are now in deperate need of a revamp.
So you want to find a Laser Rifle with x damage and y speed? You get to individually look through thousands of them, on screens of 100 which are also littered with CDEFs and T-21s and other rifles you have no interest in, but can't filter out. You will see some of the exact same rifles repeating on multiple pages due to bugs in the system. You are lucky, this will be one of the more simple searches...
Are you looking for a draft schematic for a cantina chair? You get to spend a few hours with the "Generic Item" category. Want an armor attachment? Don't look in the "Armor Attachments" category, it's an empty shell.They're all really mixed in with the clothing attachments.
And a crate of Stimpack Bs? That's listed in "Factory Crates," the most colossally terrible idea for a category ever concieved. Every crate of every type of item is listed here and it's blind luck for you to find something you want.
There is much that needs to be done, but here's the most important:
- Categories must get a complete pass ASAP. Some of it is pretty much fine now(i.e. clothing) but some is totally broken (i.e. Misc Items.)
- Crates need to be put in the category of what is actually in the crates. There can be a checkbox for crate displayon/off.
- A search feature is long, long overdue. At the bare minimum, there needs to be a min/max price.
- Sortingneeds toactually work. Right now it sorts randomly selected chunks of a result, make it sort the actual results (and jump to page.)
- Expanding on the search is a button tofilter as "only this type" (i.e. Metal Bikini) from the detail window.
- For good measure, there should be a checkbox for instant sales only, auactions only, or both.
- Also, is now completely pointless to limit auctions to 6k, take away the max price and make it so auctions can't be cancelled.
As for categories, I'll post my suggestions for a new breakdown here soon.
Message Edited by Tirranus on 02-12-2005 04:13 PM
Sunakk
Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:44 pm
#3
Agreed. A pass on the category system is a must. Several categories are empty, many have items in the wrong place, and others need several sub-categories.
While they're working on that, the other suggestions would certainly go a long way to making the galaxy-wide vendor search a success. I would argue that making searching more user-friendly would be top priority. But since these forums can't even do a very adequate search with too many results, perhaps it would be difficult to implement in the game....
While they're working on that, the other suggestions would certainly go a long way to making the galaxy-wide vendor search a success. I would argue that making searching more user-friendly would be top priority. But since these forums can't even do a very adequate search with too many results, perhaps it would be difficult to implement in the game....
MeciniaLua
Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:11 pm
#4
Yes excellent ideas 
As I told a friend in game earlier, if your items not on the first 5 pages you might as well forget the global system. I doubt many will turn past 5 pages.
Jagged-F3l
Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:27 pm
#5
/disagree
You think you can't find anything now? If this is revamped, you'll be starting from square one.
Windsbreath
Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:28 pm
#7
DEFINITELY!
/agree, /agree, /agree
"Factory Crate" is by far the most annoying of all options...
/agree, /agree, /agree
"Factory Crate" is by far the most annoying of all options...
Ackew
Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:43 pm
#9
Windsbreath wrote:
DEFINITELY!
/agree, /agree, /agree
"Factory Crate" is by far the most annoying of all options...
Tell me about it I have SO many on my storage vendor since i'm a s/w it takes me ages to find something that i'm looking for i should just be able to goto the weapon section and find weapon upgarde mk3 with out haveing to search though 00's of others
MDEUK
Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:42 am
#10
/agreed
And seeing how fast SOE are making changes now, I reckon that it is only a matter of time before this gets fixed
Feisen
Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:48 am
#11
Yep, I whole heartedly agree as well.
We need to be able to designate where factory crates list: food, drink, components, powerups, etc
The same for wearable containers used to sell multiple items like armor. Imagine trying to find suits of armor in the list of all wearable containers.
We need to be able to designate where factory crates list: food, drink, components, powerups, etc
The same for wearable containers used to sell multiple items like armor. Imagine trying to find suits of armor in the list of all wearable containers.
Tirranus
Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:09 am
#12
My Plan for a Revamp:
Added Categories
Removed CategoriesSplit Up or RepurposedCategories
Moved Categories
Armor Powerup (No items exist)
Building (No items exist)
Clothing:
- Cape (No items exist)
- Eyewear (No-trade items only)
- Misc Clothing (No items exist)
- Wearable Container (Moved to Clothing)
Component:
- Clothing Component (Make all clothing components actuallygo here)
- Community Crafting Component (Make all loot kit parts actually go here)
- Electronics Component (Move these to thetype of component they are used for, i.e. structure, droid)
- Tissue Component (Move these to the type of component they are used for, i.e. clothing, food)
- Clothing Component (Make all clothing components actuallygo here)
- Community Crafting Component (Make all loot kit parts actually go here)
- Electronics Component (Move these to thetype of component they are used for, i.e. structure, droid)
- Tissue Component (Move these to the type of component they are used for, i.e. clothing, food)
Consumables:
- Food(Moved from Misc, move spice to Spice)
- Drink(Moved from Misc, move spice to Spice)
- Drink(Moved from Misc, move spice to Spice)
- Pet Food
- Spice
Data:- Rename Data to Waypoint
Entity (No items exist)
Installation (No items exist)
Furniture:
- Civic (i.e. Statues, fountains, etc.)
- Community Crafting Project (Moved from Misc - Make allcomleted loot kitsactuallygo here)
- Containers
- Decorations (i.e. Loudspeakers, birdcages, etc)- Lighting
- Paintings- Tables
- Terminals
- Msic (i.e. Beds, stuff that doesn't fit elsewhere but there's not enough of for its own category)
Misc:
- Armor Attachment (Make allArmor Attachments actuallygo here)
- Chemical (No items exist)
- Clothing Attachment - Breakout
- Community Crafting Project (Moved to furniture)
- Container(Move furniture to furniture, others to wearable containers)
- Crystal (Duplicate - exists in Components)
- Armor Attachment (Make allArmor Attachments actuallygo here)
- Chemical (No items exist)
- Clothing Attachment - Breakout
- Community Crafting Project (Moved to furniture)
- Container(Move furniture to furniture, others to wearable containers)
- Crystal (Duplicate - exists in Components)
- Datadiscs
- Drink(Move spice to Spice category)
- Drink(Move spice to Spice category)
- Electronics (No items exist)
- Factory Crate(Move to actual categories ofthe contents)
- Fireworks
- Firework Show (Contents moved to Fireworks)
- Fishing Supplies
- Fishing Bait (Contents moved to Fishing Supplies)
- Fishing Pole (Contents moved to Fishing Supplies)
- Flora (No items exist)
- Food(Moved to Consumables)
- Furniture (Created a new Furniture main category)
- Generic Item(See Below)
- Item (Move temporary enhancers to Pharmacutical, other stuff to appropriate categories)
- Locked Containers
- Factory Crate(Move to actual categories ofthe contents)
- Fireworks
- Firework Show (Contents moved to Fireworks)
- Fishing Supplies
- Fishing Bait (Contents moved to Fishing Supplies)
- Fishing Pole (Contents moved to Fishing Supplies)
- Flora (No items exist)
- Food(Moved to Consumables)
- Furniture (Created a new Furniture main category)
- Generic Item(See Below)
- Item (Move temporary enhancers to Pharmacutical, other stuff to appropriate categories)
- Locked Containers
- Pet Medicine(Moved to Pharmacutical)
- Pharmacutical(Created a new Pharmacutical main category)
- Schematics
- Sign (No items exist)
- Traps (Rename to Scout Gear, add camo kits)
Pharmacutical:
- Traps (Rename to Scout Gear, add camo kits)
Pharmacutical:
- Buffpacks
- Pet Medicine(Moved from Misc)- Medpacks
- Stimpacks
- Temporary Enhancements (or whatever the official name for them is)
Resources:
- Energy (Gas) (Move into Gas)
- Energy (Liquid) (Moved to Petrochem Fuel)
- Energy (Radioactive)(Rename to Radioactive)
- Energy (Solid) (Moved to Petrochem Fuel)
- Energy (Liquid) (Moved to Petrochem Fuel)
- Energy (Radioactive)(Rename to Radioactive)
- Energy (Solid) (Moved to Petrochem Fuel)
- Flora
-Gemstone
-Gemstone
- Inorganic Chemical(Rename to Chemical)
- Inorganic Gas(Rename to Gas)
- Inorganic Mineral(Broken up)
- Organic Food(Rename to Food, move fungi into Flora)
- Organic Hide(Rename to Hide)
- Organic Structural(Rename to Bone, move wood into Flora)
-Petrochem Fuel
- Inorganic Gas(Rename to Gas)
- Inorganic Mineral(Broken up)
-Metal
-Ore- Organic Hide(Rename to Hide)
- Organic Structural(Rename to Bone, move wood into Flora)
-Petrochem Fuel
- Resource Container(Rename to Rare or something)
Current Stuff in Misc Items:
Looted furniture (Furniture - Decorations)
Junk items (Furniture - Decorations)
Camo kits (Misc - Scout Gear)
Chance cubes (Leave here)
Draft schematics (Misc - Schematics)
Schematics (Misc - Schematics)
Loot kit parts (Components - Community Crafting Components)
Loot kits completed (Furniture - Community Crafting Project)
Faction message fragments (Misc - Datadiscs)
Live Samples(Mis-categorized, fix)
Streetlamps (Furniture - Lighting)
Jawa Beads (Jewlery - Necklaces)
Statues (Furniture - Civic)
Locked containers (Misc - Locked Containers)
Current Stuff in Misc Items:
Looted furniture (Furniture - Decorations)
Junk items (Furniture - Decorations)
Camo kits (Misc - Scout Gear)
Chance cubes (Leave here)
Draft schematics (Misc - Schematics)
Schematics (Misc - Schematics)
Loot kit parts (Components - Community Crafting Components)
Loot kits completed (Furniture - Community Crafting Project)
Faction message fragments (Misc - Datadiscs)
Live Samples(Mis-categorized, fix)
Streetlamps (Furniture - Lighting)
Jawa Beads (Jewlery - Necklaces)
Statues (Furniture - Civic)
Locked containers (Misc - Locked Containers)
Who knows what else?
IgescaStorm
Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:26 pm
#13
Tirranus wrote:
- Also, is now completely pointless to limit auctions to 6k, take away the max price and make it so auctions can't be cancelled.
I agree with everything.
Don't limit the Auctions in price, but give us the ability to set a date, when the auction ends, like in real auctions (ie. E-Bay).
Bazaar price-limits should stay as they are, toprotect the merchants and vendors.
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