Business And Economy Archive

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XStarbracer wrote:

Its a direct result of you crafters, everyone knows you rip so many people have and have upwards of a billion credits, so whats wrong with combat types gouging you? charging 1 mill for tissues and other high quality lootis probaly chump change for most crafters anyway.

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*looks at all crafting characters .. * hmm after 1 year of playing I finally managed to get to 10mil credits with my most expensive item ever sold being just 250k (city hall or guild hall). And I only ever sold 2 or 3 of those. The rest of my sales are from droids priced between 1k and 110k. Just because you have been charged alot of money for things you have bought doesn't mean that every crafter in every town on every planet in every galaxy is charging just as much. You need to shop around if you want a good deal. And like has been said before, crafters are in business. Business means profits. Profits = Cost + Overhead Costs. Unless the crafter has the ability to get every item they need (*coughs quietly*) they have to buy from others. The more seller->buyer trips the item in question goes through the profit goes up slightly.

EG:

Resource Vendor : 5k cost for various resources to make a bio enhanced tissue for tailor

Bio Vendor : 7k cost for bio enhanced tissue (only 2k profit)

Tailor Vendor : 10k cost for low level bio enhanced outfit (1 bio tissue), 20k for high level bio enhanced outfit (2 bio tissues)

Thusa total profit of 5k to 8k using this as an example. Now multiply the Resource Vendor price and you must assume that each avenue of profit will be upgraded likewise.

Loot Vendor: 1mil cost for a +10 melee enhanced armor panel.

Armorsmith Vendor : Now I've seen what is required to make a single set of armor (2 separate factory runs per suit) I can imagine the final outfit using a 1mil armor panel to sell for at least 1.25mil.

Loot Vendor : 1mil cost for a +10 pistol cloth attachment

Tailor Vendor: At least 1mil charge for an outfit using this just to keep within cost range.

As with all business circles the lowest purchase point decides the highest sale point. If you can control the lowest purchase point you will be able to sell at a lower rate as your costs are lower. Thats why big businesses do better than smaller businesses in cost (they can charge less) while smaller businesses do better in speciality sales (they can charge more).

Xrystal you obviously have a firm grasp on how the system works wher e our very narrow witted "friend" XStarbracer has posted their form of caustic wit and saavy on at least 2 groups of ecomony today with the intent of flaming the crafting community...It is Obvious to me that this individual has no concept of crafting other than maybe poking at artisan and certainly has no real knowledge of how economics function

XStarbracer do us a favor GO BACK TO THE FIGHTING FORUMS and let us crafters worry about the economy that you think is so overblown

Kordeth

Being of Many Galaxies

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Summerflame wrote:

I wouldnt have as much of aproblem if it wasnt for the the introduction of the ADK

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Thank god for the ADK. That little thing is the best thing that ever happened to SWG for my character.

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P__Day wrote:

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XStarbracer wrote:

if you crybabies dont like it, leave. MMOs these days know players cant be trusted to run their own economy, thank god for SOE making nice loot weapons so people dont have to pay you greedy crafters millions for your overpriced wares.

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Here is the funny part, i can craft better weaponst any looted or quest rewards on kashyyk. The fact that i made 17 million last week speak for itself. If you wanna talk greedy, would it feel so much better paying someone for loot? i know ws tapes sell for about 1 million pr point, speed tapes sell for alot, krayt tissue, looted weapons how is that different?

Message Edited by P__Day on 05-20-2005 07:31 AM

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Yeah, you won't see many Master Weaponsmith/Master Merchant/Master Artisan/Novice Brawler types looting many experimentation tapes from nuna's or DE10 barrels from meatlump thugs. When setting the price for stuff, this thing call "cost" is factored in.

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Aitsa wrote:

I recently saw a feller on a swoop with a Proton Carbine, so naturaly I send him a tell asking who made it. He replys with "its a quest item from kyshyykk" So I stop to think about it, then I ask him whats the damage. I find out its ~450 base DPS, which is rather high, he said his modified DPS with a pup is over 850...

850 DPS...now as a rifleman with a decent puped t21 I can get a DPS of 645. With that said I see 2 problems...

1) People who purchase RotW get weapons from quests that can out damage any of the normal craftable weapons, thus giving anyone that is willing to pay money a gaurenteed upper hand in any sort of combat (pve or pvp) making the game dramaticly unbalanced between people who pay and those that dont

2) These weapons are from quests, not crafted and have higher stats then a crafted weapon. People will just do the quest, get the better weapon and there will be no need for weaponsmiths for higher end players, thus hindering the flow of money and demand for weaponsmiths.

I fear that this is just the 1st stage of making this game into a droped-loot-based-game like all the other SOE games, and that I dont want to see.

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Well im MBH and MCarbineer. Got a proton and i can tell you that 850 DPS are a flat out lie. somewhere between 550-620 is where it should land even sliced and pupped. Wierd part is that my elite carbine still do more damage to mobs even though its dps are lower. So take DPS lightly and try your way with guns since DPS really aint telling you much about the gun as a whole concept.

Message Edited by Lambash on 06-02-2005 11:15 AM

Not a lie at all. Withteh current power ups and speed tapes I have a 320DPs base Sword that is 848 modded dps powered up.....

Now My view on this is that no matter waht they do soem group is going to be pist. Its just the way thigns go. Personaly I love the fact that I take the time to do a quest that i get soemthing worthwhile out of it.I mean seriously if an WS makes a betterset of Knucks than the pairI get for fighting my way through the Ryatt trails w two frineds then the new content becomes no better than one of theTheme parks. I dont see the economy being thrown into limbo by these weapons and ADK's. One most people dont have multiple ADKS sure the people posting all over the trade forumss do but most people dont. Two because of the bio-linking to everything this stuff isnt going to be used and passed around to every other toon once its bio linked its out of the system for all but one person.

As far as the schematic idea goes..well its great on paper but when you sit back and think about it there is downsides granted they may not effect you the crafter but...Lets say 20 people a day do the carbine Mission they get a schematic for the carbines and they find their favorite 12 point only the best materials WS who is now flooded w orders because not only does he/she have my proton carbine and my alts Acid sword, Junti mace, Katarn Knucks, Kashyyk Blade Stick, Clone Relic weapons, etc, etc.(ps not all of these are 300+ dps 85 SAC weapons most are show pieces at best) so they ignore th mail or, say sure ill make it for a reasonable price but im back logged so you wont get it for a week or soor, they jack the price way up so that said wepon costs me 100+k to make when the recources and time even at a 50% markup for handling dont come near that. Do all WS do that? of course not but enogh do and we all know at least one who would.

I wouldnt consider myself a hi end combatnant but whenI was Krayt and GDK hunitng i could go through two sets of armor and about 5 Power hammers in a week. That means my favorite AS or WS was making from 100k- to1 milliona week off of me. I went out and hunted down all the stuff to make a set of RIS payed to have it crafted once, post cu I want to have ir remade because specs and condition will be better. AS yet the best price ive been offered was 100k a piece. Can you see where you wotn get allot of sympathy from the average combatant who wants to paly the game get a nice reward for completeing a challengin quest (admitedly the carbineone is a bit easy) and not have to rely on someone else to enjoy the reward for the quest they just completed.

I was initially concerned with how easy it was for everyone to get the clone armor, but it certainly hasn't hurt business for me. I think most suits of clone armor went up on the wall before they were even close to dusted.....

This thread is really the first I have seen of this hostility toward crafters. I have been selling full suits of armor for 200k, las night I had someone, a level 80 even, balk at that price. I'm talking about high end custom crafted armor, 200k for all 9 pieces in a suit. I think the problem is that these guys have no idea the amount of work that goes in to making our craft able items.... or how much resources go in to them.. not to mention any loot drops. of course I make a little profit at 200k, but only because I gather my own resources. about 2/3 of the time i spend playing goes in to the armor making process, and that is only to sell a few suits a day. I certainly don't have a billion credits.. i have never even hit 10 million at one time.

people complain about the price of RIS, but the same guys will sell GDK scales at 1.5 million each. that would be 13 and a half million just for the scales... not to mention the gurk hide, woolymander bone armor cores and the resources involved in the appearance.... and people try to bid down on an auction that starts at 10 million?

I had a guy try to sell me 12 looted assault cores for 4 million credits. These cores aren't any better than the ones i can craft, and just enough to make one suit of armor I could sell for 200k.... net loss to me, 3.8 million credits. I say anyone who doesn't like the price of any crafted item can handle it the same way i handled that.. politely say no thanks and move on.... then if you cant find a price you like, make your own. I am an armorsmith because i couldn't afford the 40k per segment people were asking pre cu. Everyone has equal opportunity to be a crafter.. so don't cry to me that you cant afford what I make, if you could make it... I'm sure you would charge the same.

Most of the items you are talking about are one time quest items, and biolinked.

I don't know if "hostility" is the right word, but take a look at the Annoying Customers you want to throw in the Sarlacc Pit thread over on the Merchant board.

Given your experience, I think you'll appreciate it.

--Flatfingers