Business And Economy Archive

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Vastar wrote:

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bluejanus wrote:

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Vastar wrote:

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jollyemu wrote:
It appears that you guys are all player economy purists though

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If they left it up to me, we'd start with X credits and that's it. Nothing in, nothing out. I just can't figure a way around people making characters for the credits, transfering them to an alt and repeating.

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That would be rather strange. I can't think how a system like that would even work.

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If you kept the same general style that we have with SWG, you'd have to use player created missions that payout from the mission givers' bank accounts. You'd also have to make sure people had good reason for making missions.

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I knew you'd say that but what reason would there be to make missions? Why bother going into space? A system where credit is scarce will probably foster a barter system, so we'll be doing a Diablo SoJ system.

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Vastar wrote:

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bluejanus wrote:

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Vastar wrote:

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bluejanus wrote:

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Vastar wrote:

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jollyemu wrote:
It appears that you guys are all player economy purists though

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If they left it up to me, we'd start with X credits and that's it. Nothing in, nothing out. I just can't figure a way around people making characters for the credits, transfering them to an alt and repeating.

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That would be rather strange. I can't think how a system like that would even work.

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If you kept the same general style that we have with SWG, you'd have to use player created missions that payout from the mission givers' bank accounts. You'd also have to make sure people had good reason for making missions.

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I knew you'd say that but what reason would there be to make missions? Why bother going into space? A system where credit is scarce will probably foster a barter system, so we'll be doing a Diablo SoJ system.

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You'd have to incorporate the completion of that mission with something the creator is after. For (crude) example, let's say I want 100 of an item. I'd put up 100 missions to find that item. Someone goes out killing, searching or whatever and when it enters their inventory, it's instantly transfered to my bank account. The credits are payed out from my account then as well. The creator might want to put in a time limit to avoid people taking missions and leaving them sit in the datapad (or whatever it'd be called). Given enough time, I'm confident a workable system could be set up but no one is paying me to design a MMORPG at the moment.

By the way, you're a posting machine.

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I still think a limited credit system will eventually spawn a barter system, and eventually credits will have no value.

Heh, you should see all those people with 10k posts.

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bluejanus wrote:

I still think a limited credit system will eventually spawn a barter system, and eventually credits will have no value.

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I would count on some bartering, for sure. In fact, I would consider a limited amount of bartering to be a pro of such a system. I would disagree that the ability to create new credits gives the existing supply value. Also, a limited amount of credits doesn't have to indicate a low limit. Again, though, you'd have to figure out a way for the deletion and creation of characters not to throw it out of whack (intentionally or unintentionally on the part of the players).

Oh, and if someone wants to come in and post something on topic, don't let us stop ya.

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jollyemu wrote:
I'm not complaining about prices at all. I was just thinking of a way to get rid of credits in the economy. Also i'm saying players would be eligible to purchase the veteran reward, but only once.

It appears that you guys are all player economy purists though Well in the real world, people don't print out their own money (mission terminals) so I think there should be some way to keep the "credits out" the same as the "credits in"

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And what about they who have been hanging around for 2 years, but is so broke that they cant afford it? There are a few of these too. That means only rich players who have stayed around for the 2 years should be eligeble for the veteran reward.

Im sure that would have been a nice move of SOE to reward their loyal players...

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Sarec wrote:

Never posted here before, not sure if anyone has suggested this, but I'll give it a shot:

NPC resource vendors. I think it would be a great idea. They would work the way a free resource crate would by offering any reource available on the server from any time. The catch would be an significantly inflated cost (like +200 cpu in 10k stacks) for the resources so that it wouldn't affect the player economy by creating direct competition with players who deal in resources sales. It would at least give people the opportunity to buy resources that are out of circulation, while maintaining the value of rewards such as the 30k resource deeds. I'm sure some crafters would simply incorporate the cost of the resources into the sale of the final product and bump the cost up, but it would still be significantly cheaper to acquire a more recent spawn of a resource, and would keep prices on items down to a resonable level. I know that the new people wouldn't be able to immediately afford this, but thats not what the service would be designed for. I dont think its the perfect solution to removing excess credits from the economy, but I think it would definitely be a start.

Sarec

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The point of having resources spawn in and out randomly to create opportunity and scarcity is kind of defeated by adding ideas like this. I opposed the 30k resource kits personally. And the ADK's and self-powered harvesters. The latter two are worse than the 30k kits because they can indefinitely remove the need for a good segment of the merchant community for a good amount of time.

I agree on the issue of ADK's and no-power harvestor deeds being a bad idea for the economy, but items like armor and weapons require quality named resources. A lot of times, servers go for months where a resource may not spawn, and when it does, it sucks. The ability to buy previous spawn resources, in small amounts, would be useful to just about every crafter looking to make a quality item. The opportunity for resource sellers to make money in both the short and long run would still exist because players would still be able to sell their resources at a significantly lower cost while maintaining a large profit, and in much greater quantities.An NPC resource vendor would offer the ability to buy these rare,and sometimes required, resources at a significantly higher cost than purchasing from any player.These resources would still be considered scarce, because anyone purchasing resources at over 200CPU in small amounts wouldnt be sharing them. The whole point of the OP's post was to offer the community something in exchange for removing their hard earned cash from the economy. Why not offer something that serves a purpose and is ultimately consumable?

Message Edited by Sarec on 08-03-2005 10:37 PM

Wouldn't this be steering us towards a non player-based economy?

A system like this favors the well-established and rich rather than the newer people, in other words, people who probably have the better resources anyways. This is a redundant benefit.