Business And Economy Archive

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GlargTheKelfn wrote:
the logical way to do this is make merchant like pol is now, not take any sp. then anyone that wants to take the time can sell stuff.

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Syrius_Windrunner wrote:

I don't understand how it sucks?

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Deathtomelee wrote:

Well, I am fully prepared to get flamed on this one, but I really don't care if I do to tell you the truth, and I apologize to all of those artisan types who have spent countless hours of their time making all of the usefull items out there.

THAT BEING SAID.......

The game has tried many things in order to lower prices and fix the economy, except one that actually works. Why do players get to dictate what something cost? GASP!!! you say? How dare you!!! Look, there are people out there spending 149 dollars in real life to get 20 mil credits in game. This has got to be the most rediculous thing that I have ever heard of. This is a game, people!!!! Not an excersise in macro economics and the GDP of various servers. Players should not have that kind of influence in this game to make a player feel the need to go out and purchase credits. The fix? Simple. Make every item available on a server provided vendor. In other words- if you want a DE-10, go buy one on the vendor that the game provides. Want some good oq ore? Go to the vendor and get some. Want some of those woolamander bones? To the vendor with you!!! Now, will this kill the artisan calss? Not at all. It might even make more people want to take that prof. Here is how:

1. By having a server run vendor, the top price is fixed. It is going to be relatively high, but it will not be as high as what some players are asking for items that they know they are the only ones that are selling them. This makes players compete for the lower prices- I can make de-10 for X amount- Oh yeah? I can do that for even less!!! This is what drives the economy- Competition. The players aren't really competing as it is now- they ask around for what something is going for, and that is what they charge. The big money goes to he who can produce more for less.

2. If say, for instance, a character needs something right now in game in order to advance, (a BH with seeker and arakyd droids for example) he is forced to rely on another player to advance. What if for some strange reason, those two items had not been made for a while? Now the BH has to go search out another player that is willing to make them. This just doesn't sit well with me. Another player should have no dominion over the ability of someone to advance in the game. If worse comes to worse, said BH should have the option to just go buy it from a vendor that will always have them- i.e. the server. It should be for a price that is higher than what most players would be willing to make them for, but so what. We as players would be garunteed an item at a fair price, and not one that we are forced to go out and spend rl money to afford in an auction. Remeber guys, as much as some of you hate to admit it, there are kids that play this game who do not have access to that kind of money.

alright....let me have it!!!! lol

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If worse comes to worse, said BH should have the option to just go buy it from a vendor that will always have them- i.e. the server. It should be for a price that is higher than what most players would be willing to make them for, but so what.

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Deathtomelee wrote:

Well, I am fully prepared to get flamed on this one, but I really don't care if I do to tell you the truth, and I apologize to all of those artisan types who have spent countless hours of their time making all of the usefull items out there.

THAT BEING SAID.......

The game has tried many things in order to lower prices and fix the economy, except one that actually works. Why do players get to dictate what something cost? GASP!!! you say? How dare you!!! Look, there are people out there spending 149 dollars in real life to get 20 mil credits in game. This has got to be the most rediculous thing that I have ever heard of. This is a game, people!!!! Not an excersise in macro economics and the GDP of various servers. Players should not have that kind of influence in this game to make a player feel the need to go out and purchase credits. The fix? Simple. Make every item available on a server provided vendor. In other words- if you want a DE-10, go buy one on the vendor that the game provides. Want some good oq ore? Go to the vendor and get some. Want some of those woolamander bones? To the vendor with you!!! Now, will this kill the artisan calss? Not at all. It might even make more people want to take that prof. Here is how:

1. By having a server run vendor, the top price is fixed. It is going to be relatively high, but it will not be as high as what some players are asking for items that they know they are the only ones that are selling them. This makes players compete for the lower prices- I can make de-10 for X amount- Oh yeah? I can do that for even less!!! This is what drives the economy- Competition. The players aren't really competing as it is now- they ask around for what something is going for, and that is what they charge. The big money goes to he who can produce more for less.

2. If say, for instance, a character needs something right now in game in order to advance, (a BH with seeker and arakyd droids for example) he is forced to rely on another player to advance. What if for some strange reason, those two items had not been made for a while? Now the BH has to go search out another player that is willing to make them. This just doesn't sit well with me. Another player should have no dominion over the ability of someone to advance in the game. If worse comes to worse, said BH should have the option to just go buy it from a vendor that will always have them- i.e. the server. It should be for a price that is higher than what most players would be willing to make them for, but so what. We as players would be garunteed an item at a fair price, and not one that we are forced to go out and spend rl money to afford in an auction. Remeber guys, as much as some of you hate to admit it, there are kids that play this game who do not have access to that kind of money.

alright....let me have it!!!! lol

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It seems that you have very limited experience playing MMORPGs. The term "game" must be used very loosely when describing them because this type of game has more in common with a job in real lifethan a game. Games have winners and can be beaten. Jobs, real life, and MMORPGs cannot be beaten and don't have winners. MMORPGs reflect real life more than many of us want to admit. Their intricate economies that blur the lines between reality and virtual reality prove that fact quite well.

MMORPGs have items and credits selling for real money on Ebay and people who will level your account for you if you pay them either in game or real cash. They have people getting married and people committing crimes and fraud. There is actually a company that employs about 100 people in 4 shifts that simply picks up and delivers in game items and cash for all the major MMORPGs!

Now you say that since this is a "game" that people should all have the same access to the same things so that their advancement is never impeded? I not only disagree but I would also argue that this simply is not possible because this type of "game" cannot really be classified as a game at all. Have you ever heard of a non-MMORPG game where one player will pay another player, in the game currency, to go out and hunt for something for him/her? Did you ever hear of someone paying their friend to level up their characters in Final Fantasy 3 or find rupees in Legend of Zelda 1? Have you ever heard of anyone referring to a non-playoff game of Madden as "the grind?"

The reason that people play these games the way they do is because they are just barely considered to be games. Go check out all of the "special services" that Ultima Online offers to its players, for a fee of course, and you will see what I mean. Some people play as a job. Some people play to meet people. Some people play it as a pure game and some of those people decide that they want to spend their in-game time playing and enjoying the features instead of "grinding" to unlock those features.

You cannot request that a MMORPG be more like a single player game because it's just not feasible. The whole popularity of the MMORPG is founded in playing a game that really does have some real-world connections.

Message Edited by TJMaverick on 02-03-2005 12:22 AM