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Thread: Speeders Top speed should be the same for all
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Tumbler2002
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:02 am
#1
I was running the Jabba Themepark yesterday, (Really nice btw, but that palace needs some signs and arrows to help you find your way) and I noticed someone passed me on a speeder bike (ROTJ style) and I thought it was really cool to see one of those considering most people don't
drive anything but the swoop bike.
I don't see any reason to give speeders different top speeds because it makes the swoop BY FAR the most desireable to use. Top speed is the only thing people care about. These are travel vehicles and no one wants to add 5 min to a long trip by using a slower type of speeder just because it looks different.
Please make top speed the same on all speeders. Acceleration, turning, etc can be different but honestly what is the point? These aren't combat vehicles, they are transporters, so make them all equal so people can use all of them and not get punished for not using swoops.
Keep the starter ship 10% slower so that new players will want to upgrade to player made vehicle though.
What do ppl think?
drive anything but the swoop bike.
I don't see any reason to give speeders different top speeds because it makes the swoop BY FAR the most desireable to use. Top speed is the only thing people care about. These are travel vehicles and no one wants to add 5 min to a long trip by using a slower type of speeder just because it looks different.
Please make top speed the same on all speeders. Acceleration, turning, etc can be different but honestly what is the point? These aren't combat vehicles, they are transporters, so make them all equal so people can use all of them and not get punished for not using swoops.
Keep the starter ship 10% slower so that new players will want to upgrade to player made vehicle though.
What do ppl think?
KalonarT
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:05 am
#2
The X31 is horrible and pointless, IMO. My toon could run as fast.
But i agree, the problem is hundred of swoops, even though we saw 2 swoops in the entire 5 films thus far. I'd much rather use an X34 or the slim bike, they look a lot better.
X34's have the best terrain neg, apparentely. But i'd like to see maybe 5 more new types of speeder, this time not just rewards for American pre-order sales.
Phaelyn
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:29 am
#3
Tumbler2002 wrote:
I was running the Jabba Themepark yesterday, (Really nice btw, but that palace needs some signs and arrows to help you find your way) and I noticed someone passed me on a speeder bike (ROTJ style) and I thought it was really cool to see one of those considering most people don't
drive anything but the swoop bike.
I don't see any reason to give speeders different top speeds because it makes the swoop BY FAR the most desireable to use. Top speed is the only thing people care about. These are travel vehicles and no one wants to add 5 min to a long trip by using a slower type of speeder just because it looks different.
Please make top speed the same on all speeders. Acceleration, turning, etc can be different but honestly what is the point? These aren't combat vehicles, they are transporters, so make them all equal so people can use all of them and not get punished for not using swoops.
Keep the starter ship 10% slower so that new players will want to upgrade to player made vehicle though.
What do ppl think?
I think it wouldn't change a thing. People will just buy whichever has the best stats all around, and THAT will be the new Swoop, with hundreds of them and very few of the others, Or, if you make it so ALL vehicles have the same stats across the board, we'll see people riding whichever vehicle is the cheapest to produce, therefore making it the cheapest to sell as well. Sure, you'd have those riding around in a different ride just to be different - But costs is what will drive people to a certain vehicle.
ONLY way to add some diversity in the system is to require all vehicles to have the same resource cost, but each has a different advantage. Speederbikes will have the best turning radius. Swoops have a slightly higher speed. X34 have better terrain negotiation. THEN the buyers would seek out exactly the ride they wanted, because the cost for each is exactly the same to produce, therefore the same to sell. Note that the AV-21 and Flash Speeders are not in this equation - Since one is a reward and the other is a quest reward, all bets are off on them.
Zutan
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:53 am
#4
I actually use the "speederbike" (ROTJ) much more than any other of my bikes. I have an AV21, but rarely use it so its stashed. I have a swoop but its to slow on hills and I prefer the looks of the speederbike.
Qwad
Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:31 pm
#5
Tumbler2002 wrote:
I was running the Jabba Themepark yesterday, (Really nice btw, but that palace needs some signs and arrows to help you find your way) and I noticed someone passed me on a speeder bike (ROTJ style) and I thought it was really cool to see one of those considering most people don't
drive anything but the swoop bike.
I don't see any reason to give speeders different top speeds because it makes the swoop BY FAR the most desireable to use. Top speed is the only thing people care about. These are travel vehicles and no one wants to add 5 min to a long trip by using a slower type of speeder just because it looks different.
Please make top speed the same on all speeders. Acceleration, turning, etc can be different but honestly what is the point? These aren't combat vehicles, they are transporters, so make them all equal so people can use all of them and not get punished for not using swoops.
Keep the starter ship 10% slower so that new players will want to upgrade to player made vehicle though.
What do ppl think?
I think no, I use all 3 different bikes. I have the X34 I use in the citys for short trips. My ROTJ style bike comes out whenever my Swoop gets disabled. Sort of a back-up.
WillburWright
Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:03 pm
#6
KalonarT wrote:
The X31 is horrible and pointless, IMO. My toon could run as fast.
But i agree, the problem is hundred of swoops, even though we saw 2 swoops in the entire 5 films thus far. I'd much rather use an X34 or the slim bike, they look a lot better.
X34's have the best terrain neg, apparentely. But i'd like to see maybe 5 more new types of speeder, this time not just rewards for American pre-order sales.
I like all of the speeders out there. The Swoop fits my Smuggler's style, though. 
The problem is, the better terrain negotiation of the X-34 DOES NOT help it in the long run like it should. Speend is still the only thing that matters. Even with the bad terrain neg. of the swoop, you can still make up lost time going waaaaaay faster on the swoop.
Cango
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:46 pm
#7
I dont even own a swoop, and I have 5 mil, so its not because of economic reason.
I prefer speederbikes for 2 reasons.
1: Swoops are too fast.
Im a ranger, when im going through the dunes of tatooine on a swoop, animals spawn behind you, you outrun them. Makes hunting a pain.
2: Speeders are faster uphill.
A swoop all but idles on a hill. A speederbike can outrun a krayt, and doesnt slow down as much on hills. You hit that hill, get over it, the krayt stumbles on it, and you can get away easily.
I prefer speederbikes for 2 reasons.
1: Swoops are too fast.
Im a ranger, when im going through the dunes of tatooine on a swoop, animals spawn behind you, you outrun them. Makes hunting a pain.
2: Speeders are faster uphill.
A swoop all but idles on a hill. A speederbike can outrun a krayt, and doesnt slow down as much on hills. You hit that hill, get over it, the krayt stumbles on it, and you can get away easily.
LittleChuck
Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:08 am
#8
--try using the swoop on Dath. The X-34 handles the hills better and is cheaper to replace when the NS attack.
WillburWright wrote:
KalonarT wrote:
The X31 is horrible and pointless, IMO. My toon could run as fast.
But i agree, the problem is hundred of swoops, even though we saw 2 swoops in the entire 5 films thus far. I'd much rather use an X34 or the slim bike, they look a lot better.
X34's have the best terrain neg, apparentely. But i'd like to see maybe 5 more new types of speeder, this time not just rewards for American pre-order sales.
I like all of the speeders out there. The Swoop fits my Smuggler's style, though.
The problem is, the better terrain negotiation of the X-34 DOES NOT help it in the long run like it should. Speend is still the only thing that matters. Even with the bad terrain neg. of the swoop, you can still make up lost time going waaaaaay faster on the swoop.
Tumbler2002
Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:37 am
#9
Hunh I'm shocked that people aren't with me on this one. I occasionally use my flash speeder but any traveling I always do on my swoop.
Well kudos for your comments I still wish the speeder bike (ROTJ) had same top speed as swoop. Mabye the solution is the make different styles for the swoop. So you can have a swoop that looks exactly like a speeder bike. That is what I'm after, a speeder bike that goes same speed as a swoop.
Well kudos for your comments I still wish the speeder bike (ROTJ) had same top speed as swoop. Mabye the solution is the make different styles for the swoop. So you can have a swoop that looks exactly like a speeder bike. That is what I'm after, a speeder bike that goes same speed as a swoop.
Cryogenic001
Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:12 am
#10
What really needs to be done is to make it so that when your experimenting with building a swoop, you have an engine rating in it. The better percentage the swoop, the faster it goes. Or perhaps the dev's could give us an engine upgrade kit. How many times have you gone to a swoop track and wanted to have a REAL race against someone. If you're both going the same speed, then what the hell is the purpose of racing. Just so you can get another badge?!? This game is badge heavy enough. Let's get some massive swoop races going on or hell, even some pod racing. Oh yea... the Speeders in the movies, by far, are a lot faster than our in game, AND WHY THE HELL DON'T WE HAVE LASERS ON THEM???
RamondChappell
Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:46 am
#11
Actually, the more and more I look around, the more and more speeder bikes (RotJ) I see.
As has been stated here, Swoops are great on long stretches of flat land, but they have horrible terrain negotiation. Going through Dathomir with one of those is a pain.
I like what the ranger said about the swoop being too fast because I've noticed that as well. Creatures don't spawn until you're well past them, and it gets annoying having to stop and turn around to check every red dot when you're Kimo hunting on Lok.
Another thing is the decay rate on Swoops is too high for a lot of people to bother with. No, the repair costs won't break you, but it gets annoying stopping to repair it so often. Not only that, when the speeder bike engine starts to go, it's not nearly as taxing on the system graphically.
PixellJ
Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:35 am
#12
I only use my swoop when I'm really in a hurry to go a long distance, like to a POI from nearest shuttle. Other than that, I'll use my x34 when shopping because it decays slowly and I can keep it out. I use speederbike most of the time since it decays alot slower than a swoop for little loss in speed. I just get tired of constantly repairing the darn swoop.
CaielG
Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:52 pm
#13
Am I alone in using my bikes based on the sound of the engine. I use my AV-21 the most because of its speed an terrain negotiation but when I am overt or hunting in places where the risk of getting my vehicle blown up increase, I whip out the Speederbike(rotj)... listen to that sweet hum...
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