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Thread: Faction Armor, So all Storm Troopers were millionaires ?

Dewbacca_BHG_
Wed May 04, 2005 10:13 am
#1

Why did they make Faction Armor so that it is so expensive to make, in which translates to so expensive to buy? Why wouldn't they make it so it is easier to make and aquire? I dont understand this approach by the Devs. I was looking forwards to a more Star Wars feel and heck I see less people dressed in faction armor than before. Am I wrong in my thinking? Shouldn't Faction armor be easier to get than other armor? I mean there is a Galactic Civil War going on?

I am really quite happy with the CU in general, but I was looking forward to more armor options. Of course now it makes sense why faction NPCs dont drop much in the way of creds, they are all broke, fighting for their cause



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Milgram
Wed May 04, 2005 10:33 am
#2

The army provides me with a lot of neat toys that i am glad i don't need to pay for. You are not a part of the Imperial Army, therefore, you buy your own gear. You are a mercenary at best. If you want to counter that by saying, "But i am captian in the imperial army," if you really are a captian, go do gaurd duty on a faction base day in and day out. That is all a real captian gets to do.




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oscabegra
Wed May 04, 2005 11:08 am
#3

Gotta agree with Milgram, you have to pay extra to get things because you aren't really in the army just like in real life. The Air Force gives me my BDUs for free, but if you want some you have to pay for them.






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Dewbacca_BHG_
Wed May 04, 2005 11:48 am
#4

I am not saying it should be free, but does it need to 1 to 1.5 million credits, and lets get a grip, its supposed to be a game, and fun. Last time I check, in game, I had to join the Imperial Army to aquire faction material, does that not make me a memeber of the Imperial Army? I had to do stuff for the Imperial Army to aquire faction points to aquire faction material, and now bio-link my armor. Are you saying I should go pull guard duty at the Emperors Palace so I can get some cheaper armor? Can I borrow your guard macro? Or is it something like this?

/guard;
/yell move along, move along;
/scratchSelf2
/pause 5;
/macro guard;

Again, I am not asking for it for free, Armorsmiths got to make money to, but does it need to be so extreme? It shouldn't be far off similiar stat armor.



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Poldano
Wed May 04, 2005 3:11 pm
#5

Here's a possible explanation:


NPC stormtroopers are issued their equipment by the empire, or an imperial proxy (eg, Moffs), they don't have to buy it.


PC stormtroopers are all like "volunteer" militia members. They have to provide their own equipment, or have it provided by a wealthy patron, (eg, wealthy people in their guild). PC alliance fighters would be under more serious restrictions; presumably, the alliance would have even less disposable wealth to support PC "militia" troops, and would want to commit available wealth to full-time fighters in regular units. The alliance would presumably be even more willing to attract patronage, and more likely to offer concessions or consideration to wealthy patrons.


This model is a lot like a feudal model, remnants of whichexisted in RL Europe through the 19th century, and perhaps in the First World War also.


In SWG, the "militia" context of PC Combatants and Special Forces might go a way toward explaining the relative lack of restriction on PC troops, compared to what would exist in real military units.

oscabegra
Thu May 05, 2005 12:02 am
#6


normal storm troopers don't get the /scratchself2 ability.... that one is reserved for nova's.








Osca

Phaelyn
Thu May 05, 2005 3:01 am
#7





Dewbacca_BHG_ wrote:
Why did they make Faction Armor so that it is so expensive to make, in which translates to so expensive to buy? Why wouldn't they make it so it is easier to make and aquire? I dont understand this approach by the Devs. I was looking forwards to a more Star Wars feel and heck I see less people dressed in faction armor than before. Am I wrong in my thinking? Shouldn't Faction armor be easier to get than other armor? I mean there is a Galactic Civil War going on?

I am really quite happy with the CU in general, but I was looking forward to more armor options. Of course now it makes sense why faction NPCs dont drop much in the way of creds, they are all broke, fighting for their cause





I'll say the same thing here I did in my Server's Trade Forums.


Before the CU, if I wanted to BUY Faction Armor, and not spend the time investment of running missions, faction farming, etc - I had 2 options. I could either BUY Faction Points from a Smuggler (At @125 a point) in order to use it to get Armor.. or, i could go to one of the Fine entrpreneurs in teh game, and buy the Armor from their Vendor.


Average cost of Faction Armor on Radiant Pre CU = 1.4 Million Credits.


Average cost of Crafted Faction Armor currently available on Radiant @ 1.4 Million Credits.


The price hasn't gone up - It has stayed exactly the same. Results on YOUR server may vary.



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d4476m
Thu May 05, 2005 3:53 am
#8

no but i would but it as more like being in the TA basic armor should be avalable but you can only wear it when on dute like SF or if you risk bring done for wearing it



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EdOWar
Thu May 05, 2005 8:20 am
#9

Don't forget, crafted faction armor is also much better than the old faction armor you used to buy with FP. Before, faction armor was just for looks...now it will actually provide some meaningful protection (well, as meaningful as any other type of armor in the game).


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Doo-Boo
Fri May 06, 2005 3:49 am
#10



Phaelyn wrote:

Dewbacca_BHG_ wrote:
Why did they make Faction Armor so that it is so expensive to make, in which translates to so expensive to buy? Why wouldn't they make it so it is easier to make and aquire? I dont understand this approach by the Devs. I was looking forwards to a more Star Wars feel and heck I see less people dressed in faction armor than before. Am I wrong in my thinking? Shouldn't Faction armor be easier to get than other armor? I mean there is a Galactic Civil War going on?

I am really quite happy with the CU in general, but I was looking forward to more armor options. Of course now it makes sense why faction NPCs dont drop much in the way of creds, they are all broke, fighting for their cause


I'll say the same thing here I did in my Server's Trade Forums.
Before the CU, if I wanted to BUY Faction Armor, and not spend the time investment of running missions, faction farming, etc - I had 2 options. I could either BUY Faction Points from a Smuggler (At @125 a point) in order to use it to get Armor.. or, i could go to one of the Fine entrpreneurs in teh game, and buy the Armor from their Vendor.
Average cost of Faction Armor on Radiant Pre CU = 1.4 Million Credits.
Average cost of Crafted Faction Armor currently available on Radiant @ 1.4 Million Credits.
The price hasn't gone up - It has stayed exactly the same. Results on YOUR server may vary.



Add to that the cost in FP to Bio Link each piece. Not complaining about that, just pointing it out.



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aibo220
Fri May 06, 2005 5:07 am
#11

I agree.

The faction armor is way too expensive. Then also having to pay FP to bio-link it... What the heck is the reason for even having to bio-link? So no one can share? Okay "developers," for whatever reason you don't want people sharing faction armor, why punish us with having to run tedious faction missions or participate in mundane PvP?


Same with the quests on Kasshyk... They are so drawn out you lose interest. Having to go into space and escort, having to fly to Yavin and visit Geo Cave... Seriously, it's not fun, engaging or immersive, just tedious and annoying. If the "developers" wanted to creat some immersion they could've made Kasshyk like a real planet and not some restrictive video game where you have to follow a trail.

Seems to me the "developers" are just wanting to make everything as annoying and tedious as possible thinking that the time it takes to complete these tasks means immersion. Well, it doesn't.



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Phaelyn
Fri May 06, 2005 11:30 am
#12






Doo-Boo wrote:





Phaelyn wrote:





Dewbacca_BHG_ wrote:
Why did they make Faction Armor so that it is so expensive to make, in which translates to so expensive to buy? Why wouldn't they make it so it is easier to make and aquire? I dont understand this approach by the Devs. I was looking forwards to a more Star Wars feel and heck I see less people dressed in faction armor than before. Am I wrong in my thinking? Shouldn't Faction armor be easier to get than other armor? I mean there is a Galactic Civil War going on?

I am really quite happy with the CU in general, but I was looking forward to more armor options. Of course now it makes sense why faction NPCs dont drop much in the way of creds, they are all broke, fighting for their cause





I'll say the same thing here I did in my Server's Trade Forums.


Before the CU, if I wanted to BUY Faction Armor, and not spend the time investment of running missions, faction farming, etc - I had 2 options. I could either BUY Faction Points from a Smuggler (At @125 a point) in order to use it to get Armor.. or, i could go to one of the Fine entrpreneurs in teh game, and buy the Armor from their Vendor.


Average cost of Faction Armor on Radiant Pre CU = 1.4 Million Credits.


Average cost of Crafted Faction Armor currently available on Radiant @ 1.4 Million Credits.


The price hasn't gone up - It has stayed exactly the same. Results on YOUR server may vary.





Add to that the cost in FP to Bio Link each piece. Not complaining about that, just pointing it out.





Yes, you are correct - However, comparing "Apples to apples" - IE, Armor for Armor alone, costs for FACTION armor are really not changed. Things like Ubese however ARE now more expensive.



Phael'yn Maxlord
- I support Common Sense - Too bad it's in short supply.

Quote that sums up the current, flawed direction of SWG:
"No, I do everything solo and I see no reason why I should need anyone else"

A way to bring Combatant and Crafter together.
Ungodly-Tick
Fri May 06, 2005 1:13 pm
#13

Faction Point Bio-link is horrible, what did we do too deserve this?!?!?!? "Evil Wins"-me
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