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Thread: I see your not level 80. You must be a NOOB. /pathead

PaleGT1
Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:01 pm
#1


I don't know what the fetish is behind the term "noob" and "newby" and whatever other flavor of the month putdown is. But it would seem to me that if no new players ever come to the game, then the game stagnates and eventually dies over time. There has to be new and fresh bodies in the game. And making them feel unwelcome by calling them "noobs" and other forms of putdowns, isn't doing the game any favors if they find the environment hostile and decide to leave. I've been around the black seeing that this is just one of the SEVEN mmorpg's i've played in the last several years. With that said, i've seen the silly people who would only play another mmorpg if they could be logged in on day 1. I've seen people telling friends to try out some other game, they ask how long it's been out, and they end up declining to try out the other game simply because they would be a "noob" and everyone else had a headstart over them.



Is that the biggest load of horse manure you've ever heard in your life? LOLEven the newest mmorpg i've been playing, Guild Wars, has the same mentality people. Was in an Arena pvp battle and we lost by a 6-4 score. One member of my team was all upset, calling everyone noobs and saying we all sucked, etc, etc. Someone pointed out that it didn't help that he was level 3 and rest of the team was level 5-8 range, for him to stop crying. He hits back "Oh, i've got a level 20", and i'm like "So?", lol. I mean, what's the point? You could play the game for 1 year or 10 years, big deal! The fact is, if you don't play the game the way it was intended and enjoy the game for what it is and have fun, then you might as well have not played at all and spared everyone the griefings that are dished out.



Everyone misses the key factor of mmorpg's. They are what you make it. They are your own little virtual world to live in and prosper in and be the hero or the goat. Also the key thing people are missing the boat on, is the roleplaying aspect and experience. Me and a friend in UO used to go into dungeons and start roleplaying and saying things while in battles "Sir Dimmurwyrd, watch out for the foul orcs to your right!" and other things, playing like we were dashing knights and ladies out to fight the forces of evil. (Or forces of Good depending on characters ) And it would become infectous as other players caught on and started roleplaying their own conversations, even asking to group with us to have a bit of fun. Those times were great, but they were few and far between. Too often we'd get the "You noobs are weirdo's, people aren't supposed to act like that in the game". Bah!



Also, if I said it 1,000 times, I'll have to say it again. When "stuff" in the game becomes more important than the "game", that's when the game has failed in it's purpose.



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Message Edited by PaleGT1 on 06-01-2005 11:03 PM

DarthGorilla
Thu May 26, 2005 10:11 am
#2

Any other crafters/entertainers tired of this already. It's one of the worst things about being able to see other players combat level. When I'm playing my crafting toon people treat me like a noob because I'm only level 33. And I'm pretty high level for a master crafter (shipwright).



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UmmonPrime
Thu May 26, 2005 10:42 am
#3

lol, my crafting toon is lvl 1 No one has said anything to me yet about it. Then again, most on my server know who I am already.



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Phaelyn
Thu May 26, 2005 11:26 am
#4






UmmonPrime wrote:

lol, my crafting toon is lvl 1 No one has said anything to me yet about it. Then again, most on my server know who I am already.






And I think that's also a very good point to be made here in the B & E forum. I get the feeling many who post here fit into 2 very strict categories - Either you ARE the complete noob coming into the arena of SWG Finance, or you are a long time vet of the Economy . Doesn't seem to be much in between here.


But the whole real point as a response to the actual point of the topic.. It really IS a case of identity in this game. Either you are "well known" and therefore nobody even CARES about your Level, or you have been one what *I* call the SIlent players. They may make great items, they MAY be the richest person on the server - But have been so quiet and introverted that when you are seen out in the "world", you are easily mistaken for a new player constantly.


(This actually could be considered good on servers where people tend to have the "tip first and get the noob outta your face" mentality)



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HawkBurn
Thu May 26, 2005 3:17 pm
#5


I can now only speak from past experiences (as I respeced to combat with 0004 merchant to keep the bank account high) but here goes:


When I was a Master Shipwright/MMerchant/Martisan, I was out shopping and then got "stuck" at the Mining Outpost (the few days after CU when all terminals were broken)


Well, I was hanging around there, watching duels, and then out of nowhere comes some lvl 12 true-newb. She challenges me to a duel, and I obviously did not challenge back (as i was lvl 1 all-crafter at the time.) I asked "why would you want to duel a crafter." and she responded "because I know I can win" So this obviously told me she was a newb. But, there were a ton of people standing around, also stranded, and all the veterans told her to bugger off, and stop picking on the crafters.


So, my point being: the newbs might think you are a newb and easy to kill, but true veterans can tell the difference (Master Whatever crafter tag, numerous master crafter badges, nice matching clothes etc).




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Tuncher
Thu May 26, 2005 3:39 pm
#6

I have been playing for 4 months now, so I guess I'ma noob or does that mke me a in between?



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oscabegra
Fri May 27, 2005 12:47 am
#7

I haven't had any problems with mistaken NOOBdentity with my level 1 crafter. Even if my name isn't known someone can take a few seconds to check and see that I have badges for master artisan, merchant, armorsmith, architect and weaponsmith and know that I've been around for at least a little while






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LadyIllyria
Fri May 27, 2005 1:03 am
#8

Approximately two weeks after CU went live, I had the following conversation which started as I was merrily crafting and working on my business that has been running for well over a year and a half now, and no where near anyone as I was hiding in my crafting house in my city.


Them: what lvl are u?

Me: What level am I?

Them: yeah, what lvl are u?

Me: Why do you want to know?

Them: i need to group with someone around my lvl

Me: ... ... ... <count to ten> You must be new to the game.

Them: sort of

Me: I'm a non-combative. I don't fight.

Them: ? <some question I can't remember>

Me: <sigh> Level 0. (Yes, I know it's level 1. I was afraid to tell him lvl 1 for some reason.)

Them: Oh, so you must be noob.

Me: No, I've been on the game for over a year and a half, and this character is that old.

Them: lol - how can you play a game for that long and never lvl?

Me: <count to twenty>I'm a Master Architect, Master Artisan, Master Merchant, Entertainer and Polician.

Them: Oh, so what can you do?

Me: <insert explination of control-s>

Them: Oh, can you make me a weapon then?

Me: I'm not a weaponsmith.

Them: But it says that artisans can make this weapon, its in the skill box

Me: <Doh! This one, Intelligence in, I sense.> Yes, but I'm not a weaponsmith. I specialize in houses, furniture, etc.



There was a lot more to the conversation, and I helped explain a few things along the way, without once loosing my temper or putting them on addignore.


The other day, on my MDE alt, I think I forgot to hide my title because I had someone run up to me and ask:


Them: Hey, can you make me a headless droid and the head?

Me: Sure, do you have the schematics with you for that?

Them: What?

Me: <Patiently explains about loot schematics, and offer to make them for him when he finds some at minimal cost.>

Them: Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks.


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Kinshi
Fri May 27, 2005 8:24 am
#9

hehe


Im CL80 and i get patted on the head all the time..but not because Im a noob but because my toon is short..as short as ya can make a toon (shortest Rodian around). Damn Wookies pat me on the head all the time.






obi10972
Fri May 27, 2005 10:53 am
#10

lol, you noob



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Kyodor
Sat May 28, 2005 7:33 am
#11

Thing is, all the people who think crafters are "noobs" are "noobs" themselves.

If you talk to someone once, you can usually get a pretty good impression whether they've been around or not.



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CasualMaker
Sat May 28, 2005 7:42 am
#12

A few days ago in Bestine somebody saw my lvl 15 tag and spent several minutes carefully explaining how to use grenades to get lots of combat XP (never mentioning that this shafts the rest of the group by making them do all the work of killing the mobs). I don't think he ever realized that I was just humoring him; obviously he hadn't bothered to "examine" me before he started.



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Ileon
Sat May 28, 2005 4:54 pm
#13


/grin


I've actually only been playing for some 5 months, but feel enough of a 'veteran' as to miss the pre-cu days. Shortly after CU, while I was learning the new ropes of combat, I had a true-noob come up to me and ask: "can you ask lucasarts why becoming jedi is so hard?" I tried to explain to her that lucasarts was not a character in SWG, but a business, and she told me to email them and tell them to make jedi easier. It was definetly my most humorous part of the day, although in some ways I'd have to agree even though I can understand why it's 'hard' to become jedi.



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