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This is why player melees can't tank. Even the devs proposed fix does not address this.

Doctors can't buff my mind. They can't heal my mind. Special moves always subtract a little from mind and creatures randomly hit mind.

I can't tank for a group because all the creature has to do is luck out and hit me in the head a couple times and I'm done. Even with a helmet, it's the mind pool that ends up killing me every time. And it's slow to regenerate on top of that.

Even pets have a mind heal.

Either give brawlers some kind of massive mind-buff, some kind of mind-damage-mitigation or introduce mind heals to the game.

mind pool is not meant to be healed... your post confirms this.

just because abrawler dies from mind damage does not mean everyone else does not.

stop whining.

Yea quit whining, you should troll and post BS that doesn't help anyone instead... right ZamMeLon?

you are not serious are you?

mind isnt meant to be healed ..

#1 brawler problem... ya alright.

Quotes from Holocron's posts:

It's the bread and butter in large part because mind can't be healed on the fly in combat... That's the underlying problem, I think.

Frankly, this situation is a bit of a loophole in the design. We did not catch the medic exploit until too late, so we removed the mind pool heal from them, without creating an alternative. Mind is not supposed to be the determining factor in a combat.

Thank you, developer. See, Zam, this is why you don't run around stating your opinion as if it was fact. Your opinion is wrong, thanks so much, buh-bye.

I go to Dantooine and tank things like Pickets and lizards and bols with 9000-11000 HAM. Somtimes we lose the fight, even with a Doctor healing me, even with me buffed with Enhance-D packs, simply because we have no control over how many times I take mind pool hits. I wear a top of the line kinetic armor, I keep intimidate applied but sometimes the creature just gets lucky and there's nothing that anyone can do about it.

And there should be. Battles should not be lost entirely through uncontrollable bad luck. Mind should not be the determining factor in combat.

That's why pets are the master tanks. Not only do pets have 10,000 mind pool or more, but their mind pool CAN be healed.

It is a serious problem for any brawler who wants to tank. Pets are stupid, pets do not taunt, pets are a poor substitute for a player tank.

someone complaining about an aspect of the game that affects everyone and stating it is only one professions problem does not help anyone.

adding mind heals will only make the game even more unbalanced than it is. anyone with a doctor by their side will become unstoppable. what is the fun of playing a game when everyone has no weakness?

no one is forcing you to be whichever profession - so change and try something new if you do not like it.

if he was trying to come up with a way to help improve the game, come up with something more reasonable to heal mind - why should brawlers only get this skill? why not rifleman whose specials ARE using mind? why not this why not that? its pointless to bring up something that will most likely not change. it is one of the few aspects the dev's do not appear to care about- nor should they for that matter.

Zam Me'Lon - Master Rifleman/Master Ranger

Nyii - Novice Tka

Pecos thats a dumb idea seriously. If mind pool is healable then doctors arent gonna die in pvp or pve, heal their mind 1000+ a pop easily by just using like 80 mind ham. Wear a fukin helmet if ure so worried abt getting hit in the head (get it sliced if u think ham cost is too high). Also be a zabrak then ur mind will regen faster, stop whining like an idiot.

Let me quote for you again:

Mind is not supposed to be the determining factor in a combat. - Dev

Here, maybe you don't speak English well, so I have used Alta Vista's babelfish to translate:

La mente no se supone para ser el factor de determinación en un combate.
La mente non è supposta per essere il fattore di determinazione in un combattimento.
Verstand soll nicht der feststellenfaktor in einem Kampf sein.
L'esprit n'est pas censé être le facteur de détermination dans un combat.

Does that help you understand?

Right now, mind is the determining factor in all my combats. Wearing a helmet does not matter because you will still run out of mind before you run out of anything else. Like every other game in existance, the determining factor should be when your healer runs out of the ability to heal you.

And yes, if you read what I quoted from the dev, they took it out because they implemented it poorly and enabled a doctor to heal his mind for infinitate healing. Obviously they will have to have a more clever implementation than that.

Something has to change in order to make mind damage not be the determining factor in a combat.

Number of times incap'd today on Dantooine: about 20. Number of times incap'd due to loss of health or action: 0. Number of times incap'd due to mind damage: 100%

You newbies understand now?

I gotta go with pecos on this one, brawlers need a way to have their mind pools healed. Not because these casses want to be uber but because they should be doing what all melee are meant to do, tank. What's the use of a doctor raising your action and health by 2k apiece when your mind gets fwapped away faster than a kleenex at a snot party? Pets do all the tanking now against high level mobs because meleers are not able to withstand the mind damage. You want a way to control mind heals? observe the following. Make mind pool buffable. That alone will make it easier on melee classes, have focus and willpower buffable much in the way muon gold does this. give docs the ability to heal the mind pool, but simply make it a skill that can not be used on self, and to keep two doctors from simply abusing it, have the system check the player, if a mind heal has been applied to them, and they in turn try to use a mind heal the skill locks itself for x amount of time preventing exploitation. This idea ain't perfect but I think it's better to offer up suggestions than throw my own feces at anyone who disagrees with me.

Although I'd very much love to see mind heals I'd perfer for it to remain a weekness... However Doctors should be alowed to buff mind, or better yet, Entertainers. I know the pain of watching your mind go down and even if you're getting hit by it not very often, in long fights when you heal yourself from time to time you'll loose that mind fast. Mind buffs would be the better way to go cause armour? Hah it's a joke esp for brawlers. Get a helmet. I wonder if he's ever been to Tusken Raiders Fort or tried to shake hands with a Nightsister. No helmet can protect you from those guys. And Night sisters are worse. Even if you mannage to survive the encounter you'll have hundreds of mind type wounds. Think about it.

Mennace...

Pecos is dead on. The rest of you are proabley not to master Brawler yet because if you where you would know that he is right when he says this is the #1 problem with the profession right now. when the brawlers mind goes the rest of the party will fall very quickly.

ps - helmets are irrelevant for blocking mind attacks.

ok situation 1

Doctor buffs me to 2345health and 2134 action. no smugler to give me spice.... no entertainers to boost my mind pool.

We go to fight a "Prophet of the Dark Side"... first hit is on my health....the 2nd hit my health... the 3rd hit my mind...4th-mind...5th-mind,imabout 1/4 mind i start to back off so pets take over tanking but shefollows me...6th health and stillafter me ..7th- mind im dead.

Pointless right? i think not. the mob saw i was not getting hurt that bad with health and action so it stayed on my mind untill i was dead. So how much good did those buffs do me? i died with over 1500 health and action.

This is just 1 case, i have had multiple other fights where the enemy simplekept hitting my mind because it was the lower of the 3 bars.

I could live with no mind heals, just make mind buffs more viable option.

I agree there needs to be battle field mind healing, but not from Docs. The mind should remain in the entertainer's bag of tricks. As it is now my master musician has no life other than being a statue in a cantina.