Brawler Archive
Thread: Fencer vs Swordsman
LasseAndersen
Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:33 am
#66
First off let me start by stating I am in no way prof, l33t or anything close to that in pvp. But I find it fun 
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)Im currently tkm/mswords/mbrawler and some medic and some fs grind...
About fencers fighting swordsmen I do have some experience since a friend of mine is master fencer and we duel some. I use absolutely no tactics doing this. Other than the noobest thing with intim and then bash him in his head(all done with me ph). And I must say it works. He barely get to make a scartch in me...
Ive also had the pleasure of incapping him with tkm, where he had no chance of getting up after I had him kd and dizzy. And that was done with cheap VK's.
AD_Dragon_FH
Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:23 pm
#67
ok agreeing no dots swordsmen will allways beat fencer with armour etc... why because swordsman hit mind consistantly fencers dont and you can heal health and action. With dots well as a former master pikeman i carry around a 286 strength 84% potency mind poison vibrolance so they can kiss there mind good bye especially after i put the two bleads from swordsman on there as well. When knocked down (difficult on a fencer but far from impossible) watch the damage numbers that come flying off your head.
In conjunction with tk or even fencer for instance swords is extremely effective in pvp. If your getting smacked on the head by a puped scythe or acklay ph on a speed capped swordsman you know about it.
AriasImmortal
Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:53 pm
#68
AD_Dragon_FH wrote:ok agreeing no dots swordsmen will allways beat fencer with armour etc... why because swordsman hit mind consistantly fencers dont and you can heal health and action. With dots well as a former master pikeman i carry around a 286 strength 84% potency mind poison vibrolance so they can kiss there mind good bye especially after i put the two bleads from swordsman on there as well. When knocked down (difficult on a fencer but far from impossible) watch the damage numbers that come flying off your head.In conjunction with tk or even fencer for instance swords is extremely effective in pvp. If your getting smacked on the head by a puped scythe or acklay ph on a speed capped swordsman you know about it.
lol... hardest nonjedi profession to kill in PvP=master fencer/master doc, except against a swordsman/doc. especially because most of the very good dot weapons on intrepid come in knife form (2 800+ str fire knives, quite a few 500+ str poison knives)
AD_Dragon_FH
Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:06 pm
#69
Nice loots there probably arnt too many of those flying around ive not been hit by anything that strong on scylla (that said i have a friend with a strong mind fire gaffee cant remember exact strength off top of my head). I was once a master doc master fencer i may have been hard to kill but i found against most good pvpers i didnt do significant enough damage. Best fire dot i have is a 300 strength mind fireon a dxr-6b which i cant use anymore since i dropped my rifleman/pikeman template (didnt want fotm tag) and no its not for sale its mine.
Message Edited by AD_Dragon_FH on 10-26-2004 11:07 PM
sofrash
Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:55 pm
#70
yeah a swordsman with the right skill and weapon/armor will pwn all
I ME OPIAK has not played in a week or 2 but my char is uber when its under teh controll of a ood pvper as i am not (i need more ram) etc i like pve but yeah
I ME OPIAK has not played in a week or 2 but my char is uber when its under teh controll of a ood pvper as i am not (i need more ram) etc i like pve but yeah
TheBane
Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:34 pm
#71
When scatter hit bypassed defense ratings, Fencer > Swordsman
However, now adays.. Sworsdman> Fencer
my template.
Master Brawler
Master Swordsman
0004 TK (Defense Line OWNS!)
2440 Fencer (Dizzy/KD Lines OWN!)
0240 Medic
FS Speed +12
FS Accuracy +12
Take some Citro.
As long as your speed capped (I am), and have a decent hammer, theres no possible way he can beat (speacially with a stun psg and stun armor)
/warcry2;
/intimidate2;
/meleeMindHit2;
/meleeHeadHit3; for the win.
However, now adays.. Sworsdman> Fencer
my template.
Master Brawler
Master Swordsman
0004 TK (Defense Line OWNS!)
2440 Fencer (Dizzy/KD Lines OWN!)
0240 Medic
FS Speed +12
FS Accuracy +12
Take some Citro.
As long as your speed capped (I am), and have a decent hammer, theres no possible way he can beat (speacially with a stun psg and stun armor)
/warcry2;
/intimidate2;
/meleeMindHit2;
/meleeHeadHit3; for the win.
I think thats the best template in PvP Today.. just for some of the stats..
Defense vs Dizzy+60
Defense vs Dizzy+60
Defense vs Knockdown+75
Defense vs Posture Change+60
Melee Defense+129
Ranged Defense+107
Defense Acuity+71
Okayyyy, with a 700+(unpupped) dmg power hammer and speed cap (spend a couple mill on some attachments, no sweat). you will be sending foes down really fast. Throw some more Defense vs. Dizzy CA's and AA's in your outfit and you will be godly. He pulls a mind fire or mind poison trying to race roughly 150+dps (calculating armor), pop a muon and some canape. I think if you use it right, its the most powerful template out. The defensive capabilitys of a fencer and more with the offensive power of a swordsman.
Glad to share my views on this discussion.
Glad to share my views on this discussion.
TheBane
Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:36 pm
#72
oh yeah, remember to warcry2 here and there throughout the fight to switch out PSGS, heal a dizzy state, or heal your health.
Kigia
Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:17 am
#73
Ive been following a few of these threads in the diff profession fourms and had some fun testing some stuff. My main toon was a TKM/ Master fencer/ 0/4/1/4 swordsman 4/0/4/4 combat prowess (more fs stuff but non combat doesnt matter). I had droped my pistol line to pick up swords lost alot of status defenses but i was going for more fs xp converstion at the time. But anyways Using only fencer with a 310 max non pup'ed stun batton (not the greatest i know but not sinking millions into a weak profession 
) Dueled a stacker TKM lost no surprise there, dueled a swordsman stacker lost no surprise there, dueled a swordsman doc lost no surprise, Dueled a pikeman with dots lost no surprise, Dueled a pikeman without dots and won yay surprised. Lol the next day i droped fencer and piked up pike and am going to master swords on my main. On a side note all those where with and without armor and psg's and the results where basicly the same. Now i know i havent used fencer much since ive had it but ive been a master fencer for 4 months and a master tk for 6 months not the newest with them but i have pvp'ed alot and only tried fencer once and then went straight back to tkm. And once i picked up swords even not at master i found myself using my scythe in pvp more than tkm.
) Dueled a stacker TKM lost no surprise there, dueled a swordsman stacker lost no surprise there, dueled a swordsman doc lost no surprise, Dueled a pikeman with dots lost no surprise, Dueled a pikeman without dots and won yay surprised. Lol the next day i droped fencer and piked up pike and am going to master swords on my main. On a side note all those where with and without armor and psg's and the results where basicly the same. Now i know i havent used fencer much since ive had it but ive been a master fencer for 4 months and a master tk for 6 months not the newest with them but i have pvp'ed alot and only tried fencer once and then went straight back to tkm. And once i picked up swords even not at master i found myself using my scythe in pvp more than tkm. On this toon ive had more sucess in pvp with Master doc Master swords than i did with my tkm/fencer/pistoller/medic stacker. I find myself pvp'ing more and more on this too then on my main character. Anyways thats just some of my limited experiences and my 2 cents worth take it as you wish 
Milgram
Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:11 pm
#75
I don't understand how Fencer with 158 SP left vs. Swords with 158 SP left is even a question. The question is purely accademic and has no practical value. It is like asking how many angles can dance on the head of a pin, or canGod can make a mountain so large he cannot lift it. You are going to have a hard time finding anaked fencer, and if you are planning on being anaked master swords with no other combat/doc skills, you are in for severe disapointment.
For all of you accademics, could a Gnort smoke a Durnie? That question has more relavance and practical application to PvP than naked fencer vs. naked Swordsman.
TheLittlePurpleBothan
Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:43 pm
#76
I MOW @$$ IN PVP WITH SWORDS its all in what you do lol
atomicdog
Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:36 pm
#77
I have done TK, Fencer, sword, and pike. Using just the skills and weapons available to each and all else being equal there is not clear best. A fencer is hard for a swordsman to hit but does major damage. Swordsmen are easier to hit but fencer does little damage. Unbuffed and unarmored a fencer may have an advantage. Buffed a swordsman has an advantage. Neither advantage is large enough to guarantee a win by itself. the other skills, equipment, armor, preparation and knowledge of the profession will make the difference.
Fencer/Doc is a popular combo but this does have a major weakness against a swordsman. Healing uses point from the pool we can target.
Basically just fencer or just swordsman will not last long in PVP with no other skills. What you choose to compliment your primary profession with makes all the difference.
Fencer/Doc is a popular combo but this does have a major weakness against a swordsman. Healing uses point from the pool we can target.
Basically just fencer or just swordsman will not last long in PVP with no other skills. What you choose to compliment your primary profession with makes all the difference.
KemaxAkasta
Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:09 pm
#78
TheBane wrote:When scatter hit bypassed defense ratings, Fencer > Swordsman
However, now adays.. Sworsdman > Fencer
my template.
Master Brawler
Master Swordsman
0004 TK (Defense Line OWNS!)
2440 Fencer (Dizzy/KD Lines OWN!)
0240 Medic
FS Speed +12
FS Accuracy +12
Take some Citro.
As long as your speed capped (I am), and have a decent hammer, theres no possible way he can beat (speacially with a stun psg and stun armor)
/warcry2;
/intimidate2;
/meleeMindHit2;
/meleeHeadHit3; for the win.I think thats the best template in PvP Today.. just for some of the stats..
Defense vs Dizzy+60Defense vs Knockdown+75Defense vs Posture Change+60Melee Defense+129Ranged Defense+107Defense Acuity+71Okayyyy, with a 700+(unpupped) dmg power hammer and speed cap (spend a couple mill on some attachments, no sweat). you will be sending foes down really fast. Throw some more Defense vs. Dizzy CA's and AA's in your outfit and you will be godly. He pulls a mind fire or mind poison trying to race roughly 150+dps (calculating armor), pop a muon and some canape. I think if you use it right, its the most powerful template out. The defensive capabilitys of a fencer and more with the offensive power of a swordsman.
Glad to share my views on this discussion.
Uhh ya this isn't the best template for a few reasons. First off you have low def vs pretty much all states. Unless you have about 105 you have nothing. Secondly the heals you have won't help too much againt anyone who can hit mind. You well heal a decent amount of damage but your mind is screwed and if a state sticks your screwed.