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Thread: Warcry Proposal

StGabriel
Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:33 pm
#53

Ok, I got a reply on this:

These changes are under consideration but IF anything happens it won't be until the combat rebalance.

Also I wouldn't want to say that these changes are the only possible changes. There would still be plenty of time to bring up any other suggestions that came out of the community. These were just what I dredged up after looking at the changes and reading the boards. Once this patch hits live you guys can give better feedback and send that to MasterOfCombat and myself (really it's MasterOfCombat's job now but I'm glad to assist where I can).

StGabe.



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RaptosKhywalker
Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:00 pm
#54

Has anyone read the descripton of Warcry and Warcry2 under the abilities in game?

I don't know what it used to say but it now says;

"This combat move can increase the round time of your opponents attack, in effect slowing them down"

Says the same for Warcry2 only saying that it effects multiple opponents in a cone.


I don't remember if I ever read this but didn't it say basically it delayed your target and wasn't Warcry1 always the same as Warcry2 as in Cone effect just half the duration?


Unless this always said this (and was just a poor description)it looks like they might be making Warcry into a slow rather than Mez and making it good for PvE not much cop for PvP, at least not compared to how it used to be used.




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Soulburner69
Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:06 pm
#55

maybe a decent proposed change would be to make warcry a slowing effect, where it slows attack speed, and movement by half.



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MasterOfCombat
Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:33 pm
#56






StGabriel wrote:
Ok, I got a reply on this:

These changes are under consideration but IF anything happens it won't be until the combat rebalance.

Also I wouldn't want to say that these changes are the only possible changes. There would still be plenty of time to bring up any other suggestions that came out of the community. These were just what I dredged up after looking at the changes and reading the boards. Once this patch hits live you guys can give better feedback and send that to MasterOfCombat and myself (really it's MasterOfCombat's job now but I'm glad to assist where I can).

StGabe.






I try but you always beat me to the punch


How does everyone feel about an AoE "mez" (I've never played EQ but it keeps getting called that so...) And does anyone have any other ideas?




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ValNorkics
Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:35 pm
#57

If your issue is with KD and Warcry.


Then add a frekin IF statment


If Player Warcry andif target(status.include "Knocked Down") then SystemMessage "You Can not delay a Knocked Down Target"


TA DE FREANKIN DA look @ that.


NULLDISTANCE
Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:37 pm
#58




You're the one getting bent out of shape about it. Not me.

Really?, why are you bothering to respond then?



whyhellothere is who that 2nd post is directed to...


I apologize if you hapopen to think that every thing is about you or that everyone is out to get you.


You addressed the previous post to me as you have this one. The next post started with "Oh yeah, if you..." which reads as an addition to your last post. You didn't address it to anyone or quote anyone so it appears to be directed at me.


My bad


Yes you are an idiot if you cant figure out what it is you need to do to master a given career in 3 weeks..


It's a statement like this that will get you branded as "l33t" You're judging someones intelligence by how fast they progress in a computer game. It's not a race to everyone. Again I am impressed by the speed you grind out professions. You'll be giving my your accuracy with a rail gun soon. Bet I could beat you at Chuckie Egg tho'


Branded? Kinky,


BTW,


I am the chuckie egg master (* looks at buddy, "psst Bob, **edit** is Chukie egg?")


Rail guns are fun but Dropping "Tangos" A'la Clancy is where I live.


As far as race, see my prior posts about the jedi implemetaion... Theres a fellow on my server who's bioends with


"If the path to ultimate power will have me make pretty pink panties and do people's hair, then I'll skip it"


(not verbatim... but you get the drift)


I want a jedi, (don't say go play kotor, I have) and grinding is the way to get there. *sigh*


I do see the issue the devs have to contend with... how to make each persons FS experience unique... (otherwise sally tells bob, bob tells pete.. etc etc, and we have a server full of jedi. If everyone's a jedi then it kind of loses the luster..


Now think about this, Capping jedi? No, Bob got his jedi and then they capped it .. so sally wants a jedi but she aint allowed, sally takes her 15 bucks a month back to everquest or whatever.. leaving bob and the other jedi's on the server in the same boat as before.


(ooh , time to turn off the whiners tangent machine)


Oh yeah, btw, I play maybe 4 hours a day, and maybe 8 hours on my days off,


Ok, well maybe other people don't play all night after they get back from work or for half the waking day while they are off work and perhaps they play their profession rather than grind it out in the fastest possible manner.


Agreed, which is why I bothered to post the qualifying statement, I purposely avoid the sun.. (I find that when saving for a big purchase like a house or car, doing stupid asinine things like playing mmorpg's can be less expensive than trolling at the bars... Suffer now for better life later, eh?)


A ranged combatant can drop a dot , and then merely stay away from an enemy till the enemy drops or the dot wears off, at which point you get off your swoop, reapply the dot, get back on and ride in circles...


As I already said, I'm not here to whine about what someone else can do. Go stick this on the Rifleman forum.


Butisntbalance of game mechanics the end result? So ifI MUST whine, please pass the cheese 'cuz ima be here a while.


Tell me. Do you actually have fun playing SWG? The way you are responding to me it seems you view this as far more than a game.


Was having a blast till I noticed how broken things can get... But as far asreasons for playing see my above response.


(I suppose I could save my 30 a month {2 accounts } and spank the monkey to alleviate boredom, but my palms were getting to hairy to type )


Oh wait I'm an idiot and my parents owe the world an apology


have them send it to me with an explanation of "Chuckie Egg"


...Better back off everybody, Null here is Internet Tough.


And then some.



Ok after reading this post I noticed that absolutely none of it mentioned warcry or the proposal or anything that it was originally about.


So rather then languishing insome half-a$$ed sub flame-war I refuse to respond any further under this topic unless its about nerfing brawler.


Tenant I would be delighted to entertain more conversation with you .. so if you want to continue discourse, please start a new post somewhere topic'd "Hey Nulldistanceyou suck" or something like that .


Meanwhile

LEAVE BRAWLER ALONE


and


BRING BACK "FIREFLY" (geeks of the world unite)


N.



NULLDISTANCE
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:00 am
#59


Tenant,


You should seriously look at cutting back on the caffeine consumption... maybe 2 Mountain dews instead of your customary 6???


if you'll bother to LOOK at other posts besides mine and yours youll note that there are others im talking to as well...


whyhellothere is who that 2nd post is directed to...


I apologize if you hapopen to think that every thing is about you or that everyone is out to get you.


"Ooh aren't we l33t?

Any idiot can master a career but it takes and INTELLIGENT person to master it in 3weeks?

All Master Bounty Hunters must be idiots for choosing that profession?

Nice attitude you have there, next post perhaps you can call mea "n00b" and tell me to "get sum skillz"


Yes you are an idiot if you cant figure out what it is you need to do to master a given career in 3 weeks.. 3 weeks was my chosen duration becauseBH is the longest and most difficult to master (my experience may vary from yours.. some had problems with Musician and Dance 2.5 weeks for me for both)...I did ID in a day, Master Squad Leader in 7 hours (from novice)... TKM in a week form brawler unarmed 1... Oh yeah, btw, I play maybe 4 hours a day, and maybe 8 hours on my days off, So do you have a point of shall I continue?


If you have 2 fulltime jobs then you are of course excused from my Idiot remarks.....


Oh yeah, i'm not 'l33t', the ebonics of the internet sickens me to the core... if you choose to use it, Your parents owe us all an apology.

Though if it will make you feel better, I can of course use the vernacular of the medium ...

n00b...

*shudders and takes a shower*

And a note about PVE:


A ranged combatant can drop a dot , and then merely stay away from an enemy till the enemy drops or the dot wears off, at which point you get off your swoop, reapply the dot, get back on and ride in circles...


he takes no damage.


Melee?


Hmm i dont have a bleed attack... I have to stand there and tank... armor or buffs or just plain ole suck the damage...


Wouldnt it be nice if we had something like warcry /lunge tohelp prevent damage to us too?.. maybe thats asking too much.


N. (00b)

RaptosKhywalker
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:45 am
#60




You should seriously look at cutting back on the caffeine consumption... maybe 2 Mountain dews instead of your customary 6???


You're the one getting bent out of shape about it. Not me.



whyhellothere is who that 2nd post is directed to...


I apologize if you hapopen to think that every thing is about you or that everyone is out to get you.


You addressed the previous post to me as you have this one. The next post started with "Oh yeah, if you..." which reads as an addition to your last post. You didn't address it to anyone or quote anyone so it appears to be directed at me.


Yes you are an idiot if you cant figure out what it is you need to do to master a given career in 3 weeks..


It's a statement like this that will get you branded as "l33t" You're judging someones intelligence by how fast they progress in a computer game. It's not a race to everyone. Again I am impressed by the speed you grind out professions. You'll be giving my your accuracy with a rail gun soon. Bet I could beat you at Chuckie Egg tho'


Oh yeah, btw, I play maybe 4 hours a day, and maybe 8 hours on my days off,


Ok, well maybe other people don't play all night after they get back from work or for half the waking day while they are off work and perhaps they play their profession rather than grind it out in the fastest possible manner.


A ranged combatant can drop a dot , and then merely stay away from an enemy till the enemy drops or the dot wears off, at which point you get off your swoop, reapply the dot, get back on and ride in circles...


As I already said, I'm not here to whine about what someone else can do. Go stick this on the Rifleman forum.


Tell me. Do you actually have fun playing SWG? The way you are responding to me it seems you view this as far more than a game.


Oh wait I'm an idiot and my parents owe the world an apology...Better back off everybody, Null here is Internet Tough.





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ThotoOrifa
Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:53 pm
#61

face it. warcry is going to be totaly useless with publish 7 or 8 or whatever this is, and ill still have to keep master brawler for a 2 handed swords kd. Unless they decided not to nerf it, if they did the devs will be my new gods.



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Nealoc187
Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:33 pm
#62

If the warcry nerf comes down to live I'm quitting the game, its as simple as that. The game has gone to hell anyhow in the last few months and this will be the final nail in the coffin for me. The devs seem like they are trying to force everyone to drop all melee and go all ranged in this game. Well it's not going to work for me. I've played since the day the game was released and I'm gone the second this warcry crap goes live.



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ThotoOrifa
Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:05 am
#63

ive got a pretty unique build. master rifleman, master swordsman, master brawler. I own pvp. I wont even be able to dropmaster brawler after this cause its the only way swordsman can have a kd. :-(. Please dont nerf warcry.



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RaptosKhywalker
Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:33 am
#64



If you were to drop Master brawler but keep Unarmed you would have 34pnts to spend.


6pnts would get Novice TK


14pnts would get TK balance giving you TK's State defense to add to yours (you won't be passing the 125cap even with swrdsman, rifleman and TK state defenses)


Another 14pnts will by you the precision striking line giving you the ranged and melee defense of a TK.


Master Balance Conditioning comes with uKD2 (KD and Dizzy) all you need a simple macro that swaps weapons to a VK /unarmedknockdown2 and swap back, you may need a pause with this macro, depending on your connection to the server.


Lunge1 still works at the same range for posture down attack, combined with a dizzy this can also put someone on their back


I'm not saying this is a better option, if it was I'd have already dropped master brawler myself and I haven't (yet) but just giving other options. Also this nerf is coming but it's not confirmed as what it will be. I know I'll miss my 20mtre KD and 20 sec delay but things move on...I used to playa Warrior in EQ so it's actually nice to be playing a profession/class that is actually worth nerfing that's probably why I'm taking it so well.





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GTOfire
Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:16 am
#65

actually, I wouldn't find it all that strange to see melee get seriously nerfed in this game to the point where only a few people remain. We know of several examples of melee combat in the movies (lightsabres not included, because of the deflection of the blaster bolts it's not less effective then ranged), but not really that many. Combat in Star Wars tends to be ranged in nature, and I wouldn't mind seeing a game that tries to be good to continuity reflect that.



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