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Man carbine got shafted, BH did as well. You forgot to include offensive bonuses. If you would have included offensive bonuses BH would look alot better, and pikeman would look alot worse.

Don't get me wrong, BH does need to get some form of defence, just don't come crying in every other profession board about, trust me wethey havetheir own problems.

Fix the LLC so that BHs have their power house weapon working correctly, and I doubt as many BHs will be complaining when they can drop an unarmored target with one special.

Actually, besides the fact that commando is in th same boat the BH's are in when it comes to defense....not a thing someguy. I spammed this out over every combat forum. My appologies on not listing commando, but the skill sheets I looked at showed commando had no mods, thus I did not list it. Though I now understand I should have at least listed Dancer, since Master Dancers also get a +7 defense mod =)

I had no intent of including offensive bonuses, of which BH has none btw. THe point of this forum wide post was to show the discrepency between all combat classes defensive abilities and Bounty Hunters defensive ability's. Thats it. Im not saying BH is the worse off. Im simply being VERY vocal about one SPECIFIC issue I feel very strongly about and wish to have as much as publicly known as possible. So please dont take this as a BH intruding on Pikeman terriroty going BooHoo woe is we, but simply advertising out.

Bounty Hunters need a major boost if they are tobe competitive with other 217 skill point combos.

<post swing> Sorry to burst your bubbles. Im going around to my posts making sure they are understood properly. The point of this post is not to cry about the state of the Bounty Hunter proffesion in a broad sense at all. That is done enough on our own forums. We're second on the forums for most used, jedi doesnt count since it is really a "inquiring" forum. Creature Handler and Bounty Hunter are the most used for specific and Actual reasons. anyhow, this is to show the discrepency between Every COmbat proffesion almost and the Bounty Hunters. I will very quickly mention that yes we would like the llc to be fixed, and sorry but our offensive abilitis are not strong or varied. Master skills are horrible, and all combat moves EXCEPT torso shot have been heavily nerfed. But that aside, along with commando (which is kinda SORTAunderstandable seeing the Brawler bonuses they get along with amazing damage) Bounty Hunterwas not included in the shift of combat method for the professions and is now woefuly under defended. NOt only are we easily hit, as i mentioned, we do not have the hitting capacity other proffesions do. These posts are to point out this defensive discrepency. i was hopingpeople outside the BH community could give constructive ideas on how to change this. Thank you.

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Vyn_Drayko wrote:
I had no intent of including offensive bonuses, of which BH has none btw. THe point of this forum wide post was to show the discrepency between all combat classes defensive abilities and Bounty Hunters defensive ability's. Thats it. Im not saying BH is the worse off. Im simply being VERY vocal about one SPECIFIC issue I feel very strongly about and wish to have as much as publicly known as possible. So please dont take this as a BH intruding on Pikeman terriroty going BooHoo woe is we, but simplyspamming out.

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There I fixed it.

Ok, Im glad im still up =) Im going around to each forum and making sure that this post stays on track. The purpose of this post is not to moan and groan about the state of the BH profession over all, but to point out to all combat classes that bassicly everyone has been given a new defensive "system". Only BH and commando did not. I did not make an issue of commando because, well, their attack abilities are outrageous and obvious. What is not known about is BH. Many people THINK they know, but they dont. I cant count the times the BH boards get hit by people crashing on us who have never even played the proffesion. THe current comments runing are that ok, BH's dont ahve defense, but they make it up in offense. Well the problem with that is it simply isnt true. We have stickied at the top of our profession weapons tests which prove this next point, that we are also weak offensivly. The llc is sorta decent, but our carbine and pistol abilities are horrible compared to other proffesions after repeated nerfs. Yes we have speed...but speed also happens to be negated when you cannot hit your target. Where all this ties together is the fact that most combat proffesions recieved defense abilities. GREAT. it makes things interesting. But if BH does not, then they need an offensive shift to counter. THe problem is that BH's have not recieved a single positive change to combat abilities in over 3 months. They havnt gotten better...they have gotten worse, which only emphasises the numbers above. If we dont get the offensive abiliteis we want for our skillpoints, then at LEAST make us like the other proffesions and let us defend ourselves. Ok, have at it.

Actually, We get 25 I believe total to both. Not sure, would have to check but in this range.

Now read between the lines here for a minute guys. Something occurs to me that some of you have seemed to overlook. I have heardalmostas many cries for nerfs on BHs as I have heard for commando. Once again IMO a misconception that the 2 of us should be equal with single weapon prereq combat professions gets those professions crying nefr everytime we win a fight. If I should be just as powerful as a pistoleer as I am as commando then why the hell should I spend all the points on the extra pre-req when I could be making my own weapons or giving myself my own buffs?

This post IMO shows that the both of us are actually underpowered as far as defensive mods go and IMO we dont do that much more damage than a master pistoleer over time but rather, our damage is frontloaded on the first shot so they see that and scream nerf the FT.

The only thing that give me the concerns for (not to target but just an example) pistoleer is that they had to take the full profession to get that power I talk about speed accuracy and special wise where someone can just take our flame 4 to get our main power. I appologize to the dablers for saying this but it is a truth that you get the power of a master combat profession with just our one line and still advocate spreading our mods acros the tree.

At any rate, I hope you BHs get some light shined your way. GL to you, as you are going to need it.

OK Maddog, im going to try to reply to that through the mis-spellings. I am REALLY assuming you are not a native writer of english, because you are hard to understand almost.

I will tell you that judging the state of a profession by looking at one character is not a wise idea, because there are many variables untested. Perhaps your friend does not fight good PvP'ers, perhaps he fights lower classes, etc etc etc. I can safly assure you that there are several proffesions (carbineer, rifleman, smuggler, pistoleer) who have an EXCELLET chance against an equivilant bounty hunter skill and HAM wise. When facing the above mention classes, the BH's odds of survival fall drasticly due to the high powered skills those classes have availiable to them yet BH's lack. On BUFF and Armor. I hate to break it to you, but most people do wander around heavily buffed and EVERYONE almost wanders around heavily armored. THere is currently a large glut on the market of COmposite helmets with acid resistance in the 90's. for the sole purpose of preventing a BH from using his favoirte eye-shot weapon: scatter pistol. You can say "use another pistol" oh btw i assume you mean scatter when you say tangle...tangle pistols suck period. It is confirmed on the BH forum, scatter is preffered pistol of most BH's. And your final comment wason eye shot so thats it. Eye shot is also recieving another nerf coming soon from the reports handed down btw.

Since commando is in the same deffensive boat BH is, does anyone have suggestions on defensive abilities that could be applied to either/both of our profesions?

Haha Wabit, if your class is not a Combat Proffesion, what is it referred to as then, a Manual Labor proffesion? wait..hmm..nope..no manual labor in SWG. Hehe, a MCH is a deadly opponent indeed. I felt it only fair to include CH in the spread of posts I made on this. Since I am searching for answers, and CH is probably the most unbiased class i can think of when it comes to BH (except for maybe chef...no wait we buy tat sunburns like mad from them) do you guys ahve any ideas on defensive mods that could be applied to BH and Commando (The commandos are much in the same boat we are when it comes to defensive abilities, they are not lsited because i did not know they had any at all)

why doespistol, carb, and rifleprofesion have more melee def than Swordsman and Pikeman?