Brawler Archive

A little late here, but better late than never.

Brawler issues:

Every class except pikemen get +10 toughness at both the 3rd and 4th boxes. Pikeman only get +4. I'd like to see pikemen get the +10 like the other three classes.

I'd like to see a bit more speed and damage throughout the unarmed line.

Can't really think of much else.

Just thought of another one....

A lot of the brawler stuff is just copied and pasted throughout the profession. Point being: At each of the 4th boxes, the professions get spin attack one. It seems to me as if they are the same move, just with a diffrent weapon. I'd like to see more diversity between the classes in the brawler trees.

Unarmed is just that unarmed. Power gloves, brass knuckles and all are techically one handed weapons. Unarmed combat should be limited to just the VK. If you are going to add a weapon it should be a one hand weapon.

However unarmed is tough to get so I suggest one of two things. Either move the cert for the VK lower in the tree (unarmed 2 or 3 perhaps) or raise the damage from our fists in the brawler tree to where an unarmed opponent can do more than 80 pts of damage every few seconds.

When I can do 300 pts of damage with a tier 1 one handed weapon and 800 pts of damage with a tier 1 two handed weapon it's kind of tough to go back to doing 80 pts of damage with my tier 1 unarmed skills.

Also coming in late here.

I'm TKA 2,2,2,2 and Brawler 4,3,3,3 working toward Master Brawler. I enjoy my fighting style and wouldn't trade it in no matter how much ranged kites me. I just adapt as best I can.

I agree that unarmed is unarmed. The line doesn't require a weapon. I got to UA III without VK's. It was long, but do-able. A speed increase in UA specials is called for though.

The long vibro axe needs it's horrible modifiers removed. Why are they there? Would it be a weapon of mass destruction without them? Reduce it's speed and give it realistic modifiers if it would be too powerful without horrible mods.

Warcry should stop any creature in it's path. Why? You have completely stupified it, for all intents and purposes, with your battlecry. You have drove fear into it's heart for the time off the delay. If it's horrified enough to stop attacking you, then it's horrified enough to stop PERIOD.

Berserk should go back to a multiple of actual damage instead of a static amount. Increase that multiple at the Master Brawler level instead of the time. You should be more accurate at the Master level with time not being an issue.

Fix cob for the UA line.

My 2 credits.

Polearms miss a LOT more than any other weapon in Brawler. I'm currently 4/4/4/3. I'm havign a hell of a time gainiing experience to reach polearms 4 because only every 3rd or 4th special actually hits. Most of them miss or are countered. I did not have this problem with the other 3 lines and their specials. To top this off it seems polearms drain ham a lot faster, I attack slower and am not doing enough damage per attack to compensate.

My list as a Master Brawler.

1: Berserk2 lasts too long. I've died because of this, specifically because it outlasted my intimidate2 by a long shot and it prevents you from refreshing intimidate2. I only use Berserk1 now.

2: Warcry needs a status icon.

3: Vibroaxe accuracy mods. Fix em.

4: Unarmed in Brawler needs +unarmed damage mods. You do pathetic dmg at Unarmed 3 and Unarmed 4 compared to the other brawler skills.

Polearms III and Polearms IV. If they can change one thing next patch, change the toughness mods from +4 to +10 in each box. This is absolutely killing the Pikeman profession. There is no reason why a player with unarmed/one-handed/two-handed IV has +20 toughness and the guy with polearms IV only has +8. If they want to know why Pikeman is the least played profession, this is one of thereasons right here.

Short history of toughness.

In beta,almost everyone grouped and since brawlers were up front, they were getting squashed like crazy when fighting tough monsters. They added toughness to help them out. The 3rd and 4th boxes of brawler all got +4 mods. The elite brawler classes got an additional +17 points. A few weeks later, they decided that wasn't enough and upped the toughness to +10 in the 3rd and 4th brawler boxes except polearms. The elite professions got more toughness as well. They did not compensate by giving pikemen a lot more toughness in their tree either, so it is unbalanced right now especially in the brawler skilltree.

Just a couple ideas floating around my head:

1) Make pikemen the "ranged" melee class. That is after all why you choose a pike, range. I mean you have a 5-7 foot pointed stick I think you should be able to hit someone a fair distance away. I don't knowwhat the exact range they should have it upped to butthey should definatly have alonger range. By giving pikeman this you could not only give their class some direction but also help out the problem of melee classes being kited.

2)This is kind of a TKA issue but I think it should be brought up here. Lower the cert for VK's to brawler and make fists do stun damage at TKA novice. Again I think this would make a lot sense since a terakasi should have sufficient finess to hit a person in his vulnerable spots. THis would solve not only the terakasi complaint of bare handed not havingany advantage over VK'sbut itwould also make leveling unarmed 3 and 4 a hell of a lot easier.

Toughness should be toughness, no matter what weapon you have equipped. They should leave it as unarmed toughness, 2h toughness, 1h toughness, and polearm toughness so that no one can get over 100. However, they should change it so that no matter what weapon you have out, your highest toughness mod is applied. So if you have +20 2h toughness and +15 unarmed toughness, you get a 20% damage reduction no matter what.

I didn't search too long on this so I hope it hasn't been beaten to death before.

My biggest annoyance with Brawler, Unarmed combat, is that the specials do random damage types. For example, if I hit a creature with Unarmed Hit 1, it can be Health, Action, or Mind damage. Same goes for Unarmed Stun 1, and Unarmed Blind 1. To me, it seems like Blind should be mind damage, since you gotta poke em in da eyes. Unarmed Stun should do Action (maybe health). It's so dang annoying to hit a monster twice and see his healthpool at next to nothing, and then have your next 3 blows spread to action, and mind. I've killed a couple mobs real quick with everyhit going to the same damage location, but it's not often. Usally the hits will end up spreading around and causing two of the three pools to be near zero before I finally get a kill.

This, IMO, needs adjustment. Marksman get Health Shot for Pistols, and Mindshot for Rifles to target specific pools. I think we deserve the same thing, even if only one of our specials is specific to a pool, it would be better than what we have now.

Zzrak- with only 28k of 70k exp on Unarmed 4 =/

I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU ON THIS ONE PIKEMAN SUCKS IF YOU THINK OF IT WHEN YOU GET HIT BY A POLEARM IT SHOULD DO MASSAVE DAMAGE ESPECALLY AT MASTER PIKEMAN BUT ITS LIKE IM A POLEARM ONE AGAIN IT SUCKS THE POLEARM AND UNARMED NEED TO BE INCREASED.

WHEN I STARTED POLEARM TO PIKEMAN IT GOT BETTER THEN WHEN I GOT NOVICE PIKEMAN IT SUCKED AGAIN IF IT WASNTS FOR THE MEDIC PROFESSION I GOT I WOULD HAVE DIED EVERY TIME I ATTACKED A NPC ESPECALLY AN UNARMED ONE THIS NEEDS TO BE ADRESSED IM GETTING TIRED OF GETTING KILLED OR WOUNDED ALL THE TIME BY LESSER BEINGS.

ALSO ANOTHER POINT THE MIGRATION POINTS NEED TO HAVE AN INCREASE LIKE WHEN YOU MASTER A SKILL GIVE 100 POINTS TO IT SO YOU CANGET STRONGER AND WHEN YOU SURRENDER A SKILL YOU LOSE THAT AMOUT OF POINTS SOMETHING TO GIVE YOU AN EXTRA BONUS TO KEEP CERTAIN SKILLS AND SET YOU ABOVE OTHERS.

ONE MORE THING IM TIRED OF THE PROGRAMERS FOR THIS GAME ALL THEY DO IS MOCK US ESPECIALLY THE ONES GOING FOR JEDI THE WAY THEY TALK ITS NOT EVEN WORTH TRYING TO GO FOR JEDI IVE BENN TRYING FOR THREE MONTHS TRYING TO FIND SURFACE MARSHALS AND THESE MISSONS TO GET HOLOCRONS FRO JEDI I CANT EVEN FIND ANY JEDI OR SITH TEMPLE THEY TALK ABOUT SO I SAY WHEN WE FIND OUT THE WHOLE JEDI THING WE GIVE IT OUT SO EVERYBODY CAN BECOME A JEDI/SITH TO MOCK THEM ITS TIME TO REBEL FIND THE WAY TO THE JEDI AND LET IT OUT! CRY HAVOC AND LETS SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!

WHAT IS THY BIDDING MY MASTER

SITHMASTER