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Thread: Fencer or Swordsman?

Tanizaki
Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:07 pm
#27






Denkiteki wrote:
too badafter next patch Fencers will pwn Swordsmen cause our agility will be like kenshins!




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Master_P
Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:04 pm
#28

Wil i have a Fencer know! and i didnt like it! i did do enough dmng, and i feel that Axeman (swordsman) is bether for me

I chooce to cal the Swordsman profession for Axeman, because they only have 1 sword they can use but they have 4-3 axe's and thats not good for me! i LOVE SWORDS!!

You have to decide what you like the best ? Speed ore Dmng?
And what you going to do the most? PvP or PvE??

Fencer are bether in PvP but Axeman are MUTCH bether in killing Animals



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BomsieBTC
Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:21 pm
#29

What are your other classes? What do you like doing? Etc.



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JackAstronaut
Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:01 am
#30

I have not tried Fencer butI absolutely love Swordsman.


3k+ bleeds and then direct to mind pool hits. Reasonable speed at Master. Could use some variety in attacks but the area attacks are not nearly as useless as they sound.


It's a personal choice for sure, but I have to say for me the big bleeds make all the difference.


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Oh...this was a PVE biased response. In PVP I can't say I use bleeds anymore.





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Flak-TheWookiee
Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:09 am
#31

Depends if you actually wannaKILLSTUFFwith a swordor just dance around like a sissy while HOLDING a sword.


But seriously, Swordsman is gonna do alot more damage for ya, since we have the HAMMER and Fencer's best weapon is a primative stick. Odd how neither one of these proffesions really lives up to their name's...




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thegame1981
Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:20 pm
#32

Im looking to do mostly pve, against creatures and high level npc's, rarely doing pvp. I see fencers have better defenses but swordsman do more damage. What is the average damage you guys can do and in how much time?


Any advice will be appreciated.


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thegame1981
Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:26 pm
#33

Hey guys, Im looking to do mostly pve against creatures and high level npc's, and rarely any pvp. I know you guys have better defenses than swordsman but they do, or so they claim more damage. Do you guys have any success against high level creatures and npc's or is fencer more of a pvp template?


Any advice would be much appreciated.


PloMaster
Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:31 pm
#34

I pwn in PvE, PvP is my weaker point i dunno why...



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evetsleep
Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:34 pm
#35

When I was but a novice swordsman\master brawler i would use warcry2 + 2hlunge2 then do a violent slam(novice swordsman skill)....my highest ever was well over 6k and that is a novice skill that targets random ham pools. Once I got head hit...the game changed completely. I was in a group of about 6-8 last night and they could not keep up with my damage output. I actually had to hold back so they could get some xp.




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OrionsByte
Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:09 pm
#36

I have a friend in my guild who just became a Master Swordsman. He's keeping that and adding fencer. He says that he uses swordsman for PvE and will use fencer for PvP because of the defense.


Don't know if that helps. I haven't wielded a two-handed weapon since I got the 3rd one-handed tree...





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Khalaermol
Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:10 pm
#37

Fencer, there's too many swordsmen running around.



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Tysart
Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:44 pm
#38

I'm going for Master Fencer and Master Brawler on top of my Teras Kasi Master. So I think even if Fencer is better for PvP, that I'll be pretty badass still with PvE. Especially with the health bleeds of Master Fencer, the knockdown of Master Brawler, and the sheer strength of Teras Kasi (with VKs of course)



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raider7734
Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:43 pm
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Swordsman is a fun and enjoyable profession.I agree that it probably does more damage than Fencer.


However, if you want want to do really good damage,I would advise you to look elsewhere, unlessyou can getskill attachments to substantially increase your two handed melee speed.Letme explain:


The best damageyou can do as a 'plain vanilla' Swordsman is about1280 DPS (corrected vs. Light armor). You can do thiswith a speed sliced powerhammer, or a damage sliced two handed curved sword, it works out pretty much the same either way.


A Teras Kasi Master, in contrast, can do 2719DPS vs. Light armor, and that's with a modest 175 damage vibro knuckler... and I knowthat knucklers can be had with at least 20% higher damage than that.


Some might say, aha! what about damage vs. medium or heavy armor?


Well, run the numbers for yourself, and you will discover that the TKMoutdamages theSwordsman, against any and all armor levels.


Does it strike you as a bit unbalanced that Swordsman is so inferior in damage dealing to TK, when they also have superior accuracy, higher toughness, higher melee and ranged defense, the ability to cause any status effect, self buff, cure disease and poison, and heal wounds? If not, it should, because it's disgustingly unbalanced! Anyway...


Things change considerably if you have skill attachments to increase melee speed.


I am lucky enough to have speed+93 (master brawler gives +5, plus another +13 in skill attachments) and I'm doing 3743DPS against Light armoredtargets. That is not a typo:with speed +93, I am doing Hit 3 with a damage sliced powerhammer at the 1.0 second speed limit.


As impressive as this sounds, it is only 37% moreDPS than a TKM can dish out.


And I'm not even doing quite that much damage due to misses, thanks to Swordsman's lower accuracy, not to mention the -29 range modifier on the powerhammer.


So, to summarize: Swordsman is a fun profession, but can't compete withThe Uber Melee Profession when it comes to doing wicked sick damage...unless yougetyour two handed melee speed to +90 and beyond.





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