Brawler Archive
Thread: New Brawler Top 5 Issues Suggestions Wanted
2. HAM costs should be further looked and made less prohibitive.
3. Brawler melee weapons should be given enhancement options comparable to those offered to ranged users.
There is also a new HAM dynamic on Test Center and if it doesn’t suffer from any problems, it will greatly enhance combat in the game on all levels.
5. The unarmed tree branch of brawler is much more difficult than any other branch. This is due primarily to the initially low damage output of fists and their high delay.
This is a single item and with all the combat changes going in, its too early to tell what the impact is going to be here, so we’re going to have to wait it out to see what the overall impact is.
AlonzoOdantis wrote:
MoC, can you, if you have time, comment on my berserk idea.....i wanna know if there's something i'm "missing" about berserk or if i'm right in my statements
As far as I can tell you're right. Berserk 2 is atm just a time extension ahead of Berserk 1, so basically, I only really use berserk 1.
I also agree that berserk2 would serve a much greater purpose if it was the same length as berserk 1 (not really a need to cancel it) and did more damage.
AlonzoOdantis wrote:
MoC, can you, if you have time, comment on my berserk idea.....i wanna know if there's something i'm "missing" about berserk or if i'm right in my statements
If you check my original post, I edited it in
. I'm tempted to ask for berserk to work with specials... but I think that'd get pretty ridiculous pretty quick (imagine having all of your weapons min/max increase by 75... yikes).
I second the HAM costs reconsideration. I suppose once you reach the elite levels you dont use the brawler specials anymore, and so this issue bellongs with each of the elites, but I figure this is a central place for the melee professions.
it also depends on how the devs envision our way of fighting, whether they want us to strategically use every move we acquire, or use the moves as a smalll bonus over our default attack strings. If they want us to use a special only once every 5 hits, I'd say we're doing fine as it is. If they want us to be able to use our specials like we wantt to, we need them to be less killing.
Having just mastered Brawler this week I agree that Unarmed is weak right now. About all it has going for it is that nice Stun attack.
As you say weapons that increase your effectiveness are about the only solution. Perhaps Handwraps (strips of cloth that go around thehand and knuckles to help support the many weak bones in the hand) at Level 1 and Brass Knuckles at level 3. Failing that perhaps adding a special Kick attack.
I also agree about the weapons being a bit same same. Maybemove Straight Swords and Lances up to Level 3 but then have them doing armor piercing damage. Also make them a bit slower but with low HAM costs reflecting the fact that a Thrust attack has to be more carefully aimed but uses less energy.
As far as Berserk goes I didn't even use it past Level 1, except with Unarmed (which needs all the help it can get damage wise) and haven't even tried Berserk 2.
The thingsI like and which should be protected if the Dev'sstart horse tradingare the Unarmed Stun and Spin Attacks at Level 4.
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Morpheis wrote:
i am sure ppl are going to dissagree with me on this but here we go, i think after going through most of brawler over the last week or so, unarmed isnt that bad, i do pretty even damage with unarmed 3 as i do on 1 hand 3and pike 3. 1 hand and pike are quite a bit slower and i am doing close to 200 damage per hit on unarmed at very fast attack speed/ of course this is while berserked, i would venture to say that i kill things faster with unarmed then 1hand3 or pike3. now if i take off my vk then i couldnt agree with the rest of the thread more.
The point is: You're not certified with VKs, there shouldn't be an advantage to using them. It also shouldn't be necessary to have that advantage to gain experience at the same rate. Using the same types of things available, the 4 branches should be roughly equivelent in difficulty and the rate of experience gain. If you need to use a bag of tricks for one of the branches, it's out of line. I think this is part of the problem faced and never addressed when the cert for VKs was removed from novice Brawler, and placed in TKN.
I've compiled all the suggestions and I'll submit everything sunday night when i get back to my computer (away from home at the moment).
The weapons certs on the brawler tree are grossly imbalanced. There is no comparison between a Long Vibro Axe and a 2 handed Curved Sword. I am attempting to master brawler, and I found it amusing that a mob was easier to kill with only two boxes of 2 handed than it was with 4 boxes of polearm. Let's see... it is quicker, has the same AP and the accuracy more than makes up for the difference in damage. No contest there. The Basic Lance is a more viable weapon than the LVA, but with no AP at all, it really pales to 2 handed options. Either move the 2 handed Curved Sword's certifications or improve Polearm weapons on the basic tree. There's no reason why the LVA shouldn't have positive accuracy modifiers (if if still much less than the 2 handed options) if it is a slower weapon to others.
And I agree that HAM costs for CoB, Berserk, etc. are too high, considering that, early on, they're not particularly helpful.
BristaAB wrote:
Ranged power ups can have a primary of attack speed,max damage of minimum damage of up to 33%
Melee power ups can only have primaries that reduce HAM costs or increase chance to hit. The chance to hit power ups seem bugged because they are based on the range stat without adjustment for the fact that a +10 range weapon is actually pretty good (+60 over the minimum). The +10 range weapon with a +33% to hit power up would become a +13 range weapon, a rather feeble bonus of +3
In any event neither range nor HAM costs are the most desirable since beyond a certain point a brawler will hit most of the time and can offset HAM costs using buffs
I think that most brawlers who use powerups would like to see attack speed and max damage available as primary stats
I don't think this needs to be a complicated change - simply adding them into the list would be fine as patient artisans trial and error their way to a perfect schematic on our behalf - especially since they would make a lot more sales
Very true.5 stars for you.