Brawler Archive

Re-posting this again with a few additions I have taken from other posts here.

Unarmed is far from a total joke, its just that brawlers in general suffer from some serious isses that need some attention.

I am a Master Marksman, Novice TKA, I was a Master 2 handed brawler and a Master 1 handed brawler.

The brawler class, although very fun is completely outclassed by anyone carrying a gun. Guns are far more powerful then melee. The brawler class is poorly implemented and completely unfinished.

I have become a master marksmen in less time then it to took me to reach unarmed master or 2 handed master. That should make it apparent that there is some real work needed with the brawler class.

I can sit out at 64 meters and 1 shot kill most mobs and 2 shot the others, with LOWER HAM costs then my brawler special moves. I can spam my special moves because I take 0 damage, with 0 risk making it 0 downtime. I can take out a lair with my rifle in under 1 minute. It takes me 10-15 minutes going unarmed to take out the same lair . I usually get incapacitated once as I get MOB pops on me plus a couple lair spawns. With my rifle any one of them would be dead in 1 shot.

If for some chance a MOB jumps me I can use warning shot or threaten shot to make them run away in fear then pick them apart. If a humanoid jumps me I can use suppression fire to drop him to the ground then pick him apart. Oh but wait theres more, I even have pointblank shot so I don’t suffer any accuracy loss while in close range with my rifle. Now where is my brawlers 64 meter headbutt attack special?

Brawlers on the other hand have to run in and engage, taking all the risk and killing themselves with there own special moves. Which cost more then my gun specials by the end of a fight. Costs me 120 for bersek (When it works), 105 for unarmed hit 2, 60 for body shot, 90 for head shot. Brawlers are taking all risk with more than twice the damage a gun carrying class is. If we use berserk we can take upwards of 4 times the damage. Its become very annoying having to constantly run back to town to heal because you have no way to avoid damage like a marksman.

My accuracy in melee range is –5 when unarmed or using an axe, it is -6 using vibro knucklers. My pistol is +10. Kind of silly. If I can use my rifle to get a +50 to accuracy at an optimal range of 35 meters why can my brawler not receive the same kind of bonus at optimal melee range. Instead my brawler takes a penalty for being at optimal range for his class profession but a marksman receives a bonus?

Why does my unarmed skill not get a specific pool hit? My 2 handed gets a mind hit, if I had gone 1 handed I would have action hits. I know unarmed receive the status effects, but they do not work. My stun attack NEVER stuns my opponent. However with my carbine I can stun a MOB almost constantly, yes stun at point blank range. Not to mention make him run around in circles with warning shot and threaten shot and I can use selectable action pool attacks.

I was always told never to voice a complaint without some constructive ways to fix them so here they are.

1. Lower the HAM costs for brawlers by 50% at least for all brawler in all skill trees. The cost is far to high.


2. Fix the accuracy in melee range, melee should receive a bonus for being at optimal melee range just as marksman do. Not a PENALTY!


3. Increase the brawler melee defense in all skill trees, or at least place the skill into the level 4 slot so that people are not abusing the defense by taking just novice brawler. As it stand I take no less damage then any other profession. The idea of making people take more damage because they are holding a gun is dumb. The amount of damage you receive while holding a gun in your hands wont increase 3 times if you get hit with a club. Just give brawlers the ability to take more damage and remove that.


4. Give each skill tree in the brawler class a dodge or block skill. A skilled brawler will actually learn how to develop this not so unique skill of their profession. Again place this in the level 4 slot so people do not abuse this by taking novice brawler.


5. Give brawlers the ability to counterattack. MOBS counter attack me all the time, avoiding my hit then actually hitting me, why can’t I counterattack them? A little kreetle can counter attack yet a master brawler like myself cant. Heh!


6. Ranged attack accuracy while moving should drop by 500 at least. This prevents kiting, by PCs and NPCs. If you cant rework the code to prevent PCs and NPCs from attacking when they are moving (except brawlers of course) then just decrease the accuracy that all PCs and NPCs have while moving an obscene amount. Kiting became such a huge issue in EQ all sorts of fixes were put into place to reduce it. Here its highly encouraged with the way the game is coded. If the marksman cant kill me before I get to him he deserves to die.


7. Pointblank attack should be removed as a skill THIS DEFEATS THE NEED FOR A BRAWLER. If I can do 500 points of damage in melee range with a gun why the hell be a brawler with all the other problems the class suffers from.


8. Fix the unarmed stun attack to actually stun because it does not, but I can with my carbine.


9. Give the unarmed a lower level weapon to use like Brass knuckles that a novice engineer can make. The lack of any kind of unarmed weapon until a weaponsmith makes such a high skill level is an amazingly ignorant oversight.


10. Unarmed Hit should target health, Unarmed stun should target action, and unarmed blind should target mind. An unarmed fighter is no less a marksmen with his fists then a marksman is with a gun.


11. Fix shooting through hills and mountains. As a brawler this is one of the worst problems. In a PVP game proper terrain usage is a must for brawlers vs marksmen. With a radar for marksmen to see me and the ability for them to shoot through the hills/mountain I stand no chance when they can hit me for 1000 SELECTABLE mind pool damage before I can get to them.


12. Berserk is totally out of control and implemented poorly. We already lose all of our special attacks and add to that the penalty MOBS never missing us and taking double damage. With some of the other ideas implemented above changing berserk to something like +25 damage, +25 Accuracy, -50 Defense would be better. It should also last twice as long as it does now.


13. Unarmed attack speed should be faster. If a pistol can do as much and more damage, and attack as fast as unarmed attacks, then unarmed should at least be able to attack faster.


14. Give us a /stick command that keeps us at an ideal range for our held weapon. The /follow;/attack just doesn’t work very well for brawlers We still suffer from being out of range or at least increase the range of melee attacks.


15. The success rate for berserk MUST be changed. When was the last time you saw a mind shot/health shot/action shot fail 5-6 times in a row and do over 700 to 800 in damage to the marksman? Its does not, I can attest to it as I am a master marksman and spam my head shot/mind shots all the time.

Make changes similar to these and brawlers can actually be brawlers and not cannon fodder all the time. Notice I never mentioned anything about damage output. There is nothing wrong with the damage output of any brawler.

Then again we could all just go be Creature Handlers. Have 3 pets with 9000 plus HAM pools, name them Larry, Moe, and Curly then proceed to own the Tusken camp solo. Nothing like having a 24000 HAM wall of pets doing all my xp hunting for me. Never having to worry that the MOBs will ignore my invincible pets that never die and come after me because the AI is so poor. But berserk was way over powered and was nerfed so bad it does more damage to us then mobs do. Then again I could stay a brawler and take dirt naps constantly because we are so over powered and feared.