Brawler Archive

Come on, give me a break! Just because us novice brawlers have lost the Vibro Knucklers doesn't mean anything! Yeah sure, I was kinda surprised when I tried to equip mine after the update, but then I figured oh well, now it's getting interesting. Sure I loved walking all over white and yellow cons, but now like they said the toughness of the enemies are started to go along with what they originally wanted, and I think it's great! I'm in for a little challenge, so bring it on...

Aribeth FlyingLight ; Novice Tailor ; Novice Brawler

Bria Galaxy

i also don't know whats worth whining about, i hit TKA novice on tempest, there were NO vibro knuckles till after I reached it... just group with a droid or person and go bash boycatts.

Vibro knucklers are worthless to TKAs, The days when we asked for VKs to have a cert was months ago. Now VKs are really only good for pre-TKAs and possibly TKAs before they hit power techniques III.

The HAM costs quickly become much more of a burden than the extra damage is worth, particularly with the ridiculous new knockdown cost with knucklers (750 HAM.) mine are currently sitting in the bank.

still, using knuckles and unarmed hit 2, even if it takes a chunk of your HAM does 700+ damage, the worst is i can double that with expert rifle and head shot 2 (1300)

Um no any other melee class under Master lvl can hit 4x as much dmg as a unarmed.
I hit for 80 dmg and I am supposed to get 70k Unarmed exp doing 80 dmg 140dmg at most using a special move?

I had a polearm guy taking the same guy I was fighting in one or two hits. It was taking me over 10 hits to take him down and we are same lvl. Only differance is he's using a polearm and I'm bare hands.

The nerf is overkill

Just use beserk, only takes 99 ham damage and I usually do over 200 dmg each hit and I am only at expert unarmed right now!

I just got done with a couple of missions while grouped with a medic friend of mine who is of same level of Carbine as I am in Unarmed, Expert. With each kill we compared experience and I frequently found myself getting significantly less experience and doing quite a bit less damage than him. We were both using the moves available, me significantly more than my friend of course, and I often came close to incapacitation because of it.

Is this the balance we are to expect? I am taking Unarmed only because it is REQUIRED for Smuggler. I hope for the day I never need to use it again. Seriously, if we wanted TKA then how are we expected to get the 125k exp for it? I'll bet the path of the force is easier than that!

Unarmed combat with a vibro knuckler....

Kind of an oxymoron anyway isn't it?

Lord_Deimos ,

No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about. My char is expert in unarmed, pistol, carbine, and almost rifle.

I beleive the thing people are upset about, is the fact that it isnt on par with ranged, or even close to being so, as a primary combat skill anymore.

Unarmed hitting for 70 max, is nothing compared to a pistol, that gets better point blank to hit chance, does up to 2 times the damage per hit, and fires faster. There literally is no point in having unarmed, unless you want TKA for the knockdowns. TKA has it's uses still, but unarmed has been made pointless, other than as a way to get TKA.

I'm speaking from experience. Unless you want a knockdown in your bag of tricks, andplan on focussing mainly somewhere else, give it up, because you'll never be anything in pvp other than a target with a fancy knockdown.

The only reason I'm going after Expert UA is for the Master Brawler slot. After that, pfft, done.

Hurray, a voice of reason.

The only reason martial artists are good in real life is because they can disarm and pummel you at a higer rate of speed.

Now, the wanna be martial artists suck just like in real life. You will never own a guy with a guy swinging your fists like a little girl, you will never own me while I whail on you with a 6 foot long axe. You aren't anything near a martial artist, train yourself. Learn and become a TKA and maybe then you can be the martial artist you wanna be.

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Learn and become a TKA and maybe then you can be the martial artist you wanna be.

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It's funny that you mention that... It seems you don't do enough reading. 4 of the 5 problems that the TKA thread EXACTLY MATCH the Brawler Professions problems. So it seems that the TKA profession faces the same problems as the brawler. Maybenow would be a good time for you to retract your statement.

I've seen the post for everyone and how they explain that the damage is not comperable to weapons and that they attack slow.

I for one don't feel the damage should compare. I seem to recal a post made by a TKA who was fairly advanced in the power technique line and said that vibro knuckles were useless to them now.

As for speed, yeah, somebody with no weapon should attack much faster, perhaps as they go up the tree they gain more speed. I think you do get faster, but maybe it's just not gaining in speed fast enough.

FYI unarmed did a lot more damage in Beta 3 and they nerfed it then because they thought it was to much, you got vibro knuckles and everyone cheered until they saw the HAM costs, then they gripped about that. I'm sure there are people out there happy with the changes, but they aren't posting becasue they are playing the game and enjoying it so much they don't come to the forums at all. Point is, the devs can't please everyone and for every change there will be people who threaten to leave the game, some actually do, and there will be people who don't mind the change and will stick around and play bcause they enjoy the game. In the end it's your $15 dollars and while it's not much to SOE, if you take it away from them and enough of you do they may feel it alot more than the constant whine posts which I'm sure the devs will never look at.