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Thread: Jedi a priviledge, not a right
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I have never read a wiser, more logially reasoned post on this Forum.
Bout damn time someone said it. Both sides need to quit whining anf either fight each other or go hide.
Strangeur wrote:
This post isn't intended to offend, nor to villify one profession over the other. Just think the community would benefit from getting things in perspective.
-A jedi's life is hard. From the outset, the system has always been stacked against the Jedi. This is intentional. You are not having as easy a run of things as all other professions. This was to discourage the wrong sorta people from playing Jedi (think people know who I mean), and to maintain a workable population of sabre-wielders in the Galaxy. But a full-template Jedi is a powerful thing indeed. Were it not, and indeed on a par with all other other professions as some claim, then players would stopchurning them out. That a minority of Jedi continue to complain how unjust the system makes grinding (for god's sake) is laughable.
-A Bounty Hunter's life is frustrating. This is also intentional. A jedi is (and should) be more powerful an opponent than any other profession. It is ridiculous to demand that a BH and Jedi be able to fight on an equal playing field. The payout reflects this. You are being paid handsomelyto go after elusive and dangerous targets. But the element of surpriseis alwayswith the BH. He alone chooses when and where the fight starts. And this fact alone is what enables that BH a chanceof taking down that Jedi. That a minority of BHs continue to complain how unjust the system makes going toe-to-toe with a prepared full-template Jedi (for god's sake) is laughable.
So...erm...yeah. As long as most people accept that, and we have a system which supportsthis relationship, the tension betweenthese two profs will diminish. And it's this tension which is making the game an unpleasant place to frequent these days.
Take care
I agree with most of what you said except for two points.
1. The Jedi grind in all the forms it ever exsted has always ensured that for the most part exactly the wrong person would get there first. Wether is was the KS/Stealth looting holocrons or macro (as in 3rd party macro) grinding professions or AFK macroing static spawns for FS experienceor any of the many avalable shortcuts, theones with leastscruples always got to Jedi first.
2.While Jedi still hold the edge over most combat templates there are a few that can take on fulltemplated Jedi on equal footing. The players keep on churning outJedi for three reasons. a) Some have not caught on to the idea that they can get compareable combat power through easier means or have alreadygotena largeportionofthe grind out of the way. b) Some want to be Jedi no matter what the power level is.(many new players who came into the gamewith TE fall into these two categories)c)Somesimply have nothing better left to do in the game. (Many of the game veterans are in this category).
Having said that. I think Jedi are about as right as sony managed to get them since the beginning. Substantially longer grind combined with marginally more power is the right combination. Either making the grind easier orboosting the power of the Jedi would beexactly the wrong direction to go in.
bottom line: a system where one player class is able to remove another players xp via non consensual pvp will be nothing but a hate magnet. throw in personalities on both sides, and the situation deteroriates further. that's the real issue. xp loss = hate. hate = whine. whine = nerf. nerf = hate. and it never stops.
if xp loss was removed, you would see almost every jedi stand and fight, no one would get all bent out of shape over dying, and fun would be had by all.
or keep the house sitting system we have now. jedi have absolutly no reason to ever want to fight, or for bh to even have a working profession.
problem is the broken design, and until it's changed, nothing else will.
bottom line: a system where one player class is able to remove another players xp via non consensual pvp will be nothing but a hate magnet. throw in personalities on both sides, and the situation deteroriates further. that's the real issue. xp loss = hate. hate = whine. whine = nerf. nerf = hate. and it never stops.
if xp loss was removed, you would see almost every jedi stand and fight, no one would get all bent out of shape over dying, and fun would be had by all.
or keep the house sitting system we have now. jedi have absolutly no reason to ever want to fight, or for bh to even have a working profession.
problem is the broken design, and until it's changed, nothing else will.
Hmm - very good points raised here, in particular Yarki.
My niggling suspicion of late has been that a non-player enforced way should be responsible for maintaining Jedi population. It just doesnt work currently, and causes far too much aggro.
But my initial post addressed the way the system stands as it is.
Take care
chewie49 wrote:
as long as jedi stand to loose 4-8 hrs of GRIND, not play, but max xp grindage time to one bh encounter, which usually comes as the jedi is about l50-60, then there will be nothing but hate.
bottom line: a system where one player class is able to remove another players xp via non consensual pvp will be nothing but a hate magnet. throw in personalities on both sides, and the situation deteroriates further. that's the real issue. xp loss = hate. hate = whine. whine = nerf. nerf = hate. and it never stops.
if xp loss was removed, you would see almost every jedi stand and fight, no one would get all bent out of shape over dying, and fun would be had by all.
or keep the house sitting system we have now. jedi have absolutly no reason to ever want to fight, or for bh to even have a working profession.
problem is the broken design, and until it's changed, nothing else will.
this is very true but im sure you'll get flamed and called a cry baby for wanting to get rid of xp loss. but when you dont have anything to lose then you fight and have fun /shrug
Being a crybaby has nothing to do with it.Its just a simple fact that has been discussed over and over... if there were no experience penalty to the Jedi, there could be no reward for the Bounty Hunter.
Any other situation willbring back theFight Clubs. How many Jedi do you think would be willing to let themselves get ganked for a 50/50 cut of a quarter million creds if there were no penalties?
Post pub 20, unless you're stupid or unlucky, there's no reason a low level padwan should ever be on the terms. (You do know that you put YOURSELF on the terms, right?)
xp loss went in to stop farming, and has caused the hate / nerf wars between bh / jedi
with no name missions, the real world possibility of farming is gone.
if xp loss for jedi went away, all the hate wars between jedi / bh would end and we all just play and have fun. im not even looking at any other part of it. xp loss just slows dont a jedi grind, and makes them vow to get revenge and try to get the bh profession nerfed. nothing other than removing this wll ever change it.
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
i am purposefully ignoring everything but the bottom line.
xp loss went in to stop farming, and has caused the hate / nerf wars between bh / jedi
with no name missions, the real world possibility of farming is gone.
if xp loss for jedi went away, all the hate wars between jedi / bh would end and we all just play and have fun. im not even looking at any other part of it. xp loss just slows dont a jedi grind, and makes them vow to get revenge and try to get the bh profession nerfed. nothing other than removing this wll ever change it.
Then you might want to reread the whole thing.
I'll repeat. If there is no death penalty for the Jedi, then the Bounty Hunter will PAY THEM to let them kill them. (100000 cr for a quick trip to the cloners?)
Farming in reverse... an infinite credit factory. Think about it.
there are all kinds of reasons for xp loss. some are still valid (like the above, some aren't). the point im edging towards is this:
as long as a bh encounter for a jedi is a loose/loose proposition, the hate and attempts to get the other profession ruined wil continue. something other than in effect griefing the jedi has to happen. xp loss is the heart of the problem.
i don't really have a solution to the farming issues, but i do see something has to happen. as more and more players become jedi, the attempts to get bh nerfed will grow larger and larger.
how about some non xp loss, non making jedi suck solutions here? how can the fight be made fun for both sides and give a jedi the incentive to stand and fight? from my limited jedi perspective, as long as i have to risk xp loss, ill run and hide every time.
my thoughts excatly
nice to see someone put it into a well-worded post
5 stars
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
i understand what you are saying about the credit farm.. since the bh gets the name now, they could chose to try to split the pay w the jed to kill them, true, but that's a seperate issue to what i was trying to say.
there are all kinds of reasons for xp loss. some are still valid (like the above, some aren't). the point im edging towards is this:
as long as a bh encounter for a jedi is a loose/loose proposition, the hate and attempts to get the other profession ruined wil continue. something other than in effect griefing the jedi has to happen. xp loss is the heart of the problem.
i don't really have a solution to the farming issues, but i do see something has to happen. as more and more players become jedi, the attempts to get bh nerfed will grow larger and larger.
how about some non xp loss, non making jedi suck solutions here? how can the fight be made fun for both sides and give a jedi the incentive to stand and fight? from my limited jedi perspective, as long as i have to risk xp loss, ill run and hide every time.
Farming is easily resolved.
Make sure the terminals never spit out a mission for a Jedi on the same planet as the BH.
Make sure the terminals never spit out a mission for a Jedi the BH has collected on recently.
Keep a list of 10ish names "on file" for each BH. As you kill Jedi, the list fills up. When your list is filled and you kill a Jedi, the first name drops off and the newest one is put on.
"But Leatherneck, they could just decide to split the winnings when the BH gets there."
You're right. But they could be doing that NOW.
"But Leatherneck, they don't do that because of exp loss."
Finished template Jedi have nothing to fear from exp loss. Again, they could be doing that NOW.