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crowmedic

Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:50 pm

What I dont understand is why we cant just do this:

1) Remove group adding to visibility

2) If you complete a misson against a Jedi with success you cannot take it again for a set amount of time.

Removing the names from the terminals just makes no sense what so ever. There is no amount of twisted logic anyone can use to convince me of that.

Jabba: "I need you to kill a powerful enemy...I cant tell you who is is...and if he is on Kashyyyk I cant tell you where he is....oh and umm....I cant tell you how much I am going to pay you either. But nevermind any of that just get going !"

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Thassk

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:55 pm

#2

let me tell you guys what really happened with all this "jedi griefing" stuff ...

jedi-sam goes into kashyyk ryatt trail .. jedi-sam afk grinds ... jedi-sam dies .. jedi-sam spawns in the cloner hut .. jedi-sam's macro isstill running ....

jedi-sam's AFK friend jedi-janedies .. jedi-jane spawns in the same cloner hut ... jedi-jane's macro is still running

BH goes to kashyyk .. finds his mark AFK .. BH kills afk jedi-sam ... BH sees jedi-jane in cloner afk ... BH goes to terMinal getsjedi-jane's mission... killsjedi-jane too for easy money...

both jedi macros are still running.. both jedi spawn in cloner again.. within 15 minutes JEDI are both on terminals again due to visibility ( from each other running macros ) ...BH #2 sees TWO afk jedi in cloner hut ... BH #2goes to mission terminal gets jedi .. kills jedi for easy money ... then goes back to mission terminal .. killsthe other jedi toofor easy money ....

both jedi clone .. both jedi are running macros .. both jedi gain visibility ...

BH # 3 see two afk jedi in cloner hut ... BH #3 runs to terminal .. takes mission .... bh # 3 kills THE SAME afk jedi for easy money ....

both jedi clone in in the hut .. both jedi running macros ... both jedi gain visibility ...

bh #4 sees afk jedi .. Bh #4 goes and gets missions ...kills both jedi

so on and so forth .. now lets fast forward 8 hours .......

both jedi wake up .. both jedi have MASSIVE DEBT ... both jedi are PISSED .. both jedi form complaints and write soe ... " WE HAVE BEEN GRIEFED" they say " WE HAVE BEEN KILLED10 TIMES IN A ROW ...3 TIMES BY SAME BH"

SOE checks logs .. soesees both jedi died 8 times ...

SOE NERFS TERMINALS AND SAYS " BH ARE GRIEFING LOW LEVEL JEDI KILLING THEM8 TO 10 TIMES A DAY"

after nerf jedi is happy .... jedi grinds afk to full knight freely without interuption, easily ...while on other computer or the same computer with a modified system folder is logged on with his alternate .. and makes 40 million credits a day LOOTING CA's and AA's from NIGHT SISTERS..

JEDI HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY +25 saber attachments and +15 jedi saber experimentation tapes ... jedi has enough money to buy PREMIUM pearls with 800 to 900 damage light sabers ...

logs back on JEDIAFK account ... JEDI SEES HE HAS ENOUGH XP TO FINISH HIS template ... JEDI NOW HAS MASTER DEFENDER / MASTER LIGHTSABER .. with INSANE SKILL TAPES >> JEDI DUELS IN THEED ALL DAY AND is only jedi with visibility and on terminals ( paddies are grinding in safe spots with no vis).....kills39 out of40 BH who go after him ...jedi loves SOE ... SOE loves jedi ...

BH gets annoyed BH complains on forums... JEDI ask why bh"whines on forums"

moral of the story: jedi shouldnt AFK grind to begin with and SOE should look into complaints further to see if those filing complaints arent afk cheesers

reality of the story: bounty hunters bear the burden of the "re-balancing" or "fixing" of this problem ..and jedi get what they want the ability to AFK grind the boring stuff ... while making good money and such on an alternate ...

Message Edited by Thassk on 07-06-2005 11:28 PM

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Decimater45

Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:59 pm

#3

They should just get rid of looping macros.

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SOE FTW!!!

Tucheck

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:04 pm

#4

ONCE AGAIN (and not for the LAST time)....

Jedi griefing was a DIRECT result of Jedi obtaining vis while grouped...this was a direct result of the changes made BY the Devs. Now they have fixed the "group vis" problem BUT the recourse and changes are STILL going to go live. It was a "set up" and if anyone can't see that, then they are too far on the other side of the fence.

I REFUSE to believe that Jedi were grieved so much as to justify this as a solution. YES....a "type" of Jedi was hunted more then another....

HEY DEVS....THAT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GIVE US THE POWER NEEDED TO KILL THE FULL PADDIES!

It won't stop me though....you can slow me down...but you can't force me to attack. If I pull a full temp...I'll drop that missions faster then FR3, and try it again.

Believe it.

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OhBuggah

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:15 pm

#5

Tucheck wrote:
ONCE AGAIN (and not for the LAST time)....

Jedi griefing was a DIRECT result of Jedi obtaining vis while grouped...this was a direct result of the changes made BY the Devs. Now they have fixed the "group vis" problem BUT the recourse and changes are STILL going to go live. It was a "set up" and if anyone can't see that, then they are too far on the other side of the fence.

I REFUSE to believe that Jedi were grieved so much as to justify this as a solution. YES....a "type" of Jedi was hunted more then another....

HEY DEVS....THAT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GIVE US THE POWER NEEDED TO KILL THE FULL PADDIES!

It won't stop me though....you can slow me down...but you can't force me to attack. If I pull a full temp...I'll drop that missions faster then FR3, and try it again.

Believe it.

It's not just griefing, per se. The main problem was that bounty hunters were going after Jedi in gank squads. This violated the Dev's game design regarding bounty hunter vs. jedi strength. It is clear that full template Jedi are 1.5x the power of a single bounty hunter. This, for the most part, is true. They achieve this balance. Gank squads broke this balance and thus had to be addressed -- which is what the anonymous Jedi missions are doing.

If you dislike the anonymous Jedi mission changes, you can thank the non-skill-having bounty hunters in Gank Squads (such as the guy who killed a Jedi's jetpack in another recent post), not the griefers, for this.

Thassk

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:23 pm

#6

OhBuggah wrote:

Tucheck wrote:
ONCE AGAIN (and not for the LAST time)....

Jedi griefing was a DIRECT result of Jedi obtaining vis while grouped...this was a direct result of the changes made BY the Devs. Now they have fixed the "group vis" problem BUT the recourse and changes are STILL going to go live. It was a "set up" and if anyone can't see that, then they are too far on the other side of the fence.

I REFUSE to believe that Jedi were grieved so much as to justify this as a solution. YES....a "type" of Jedi was hunted more then another....

HEY DEVS....THAT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GIVE US THE POWER NEEDED TO KILL THE FULL PADDIES!

It won't stop me though....you can slow me down...but you can't force me to attack. If I pull a full temp...I'll drop that missions faster then FR3, and try it again.

Believe it.

It's not just griefing, per se. The main problem was that bounty hunters were going after Jedi in gank squads. This violated the Dev's game design regarding bounty hunter vs. jedi strength. It is clear that full template Jedi are 1.5x the power of a single bounty hunter. This, for the most part, is true. They achieve this balance. Gank squads broke this balance and thus had to be addressed -- which is what the anonymous Jedi missions are doing.

If you dislike the anonymous Jedi mission changes, you can thank the non-skill-having bounty hunters in Gank Squads (such as the guy who killed a Jedi's jetpack in another recent post), not the griefers, for this.

first off i dont buy this 1.5x stronger crap they are what they are ... you cant tell me aM pistoleerisnt stronger than a mastersmuggler ... or a master carbineer is equal in strengthto a master rifleman .. yet they are supposed to be equal 1 = 1 .... so we have no way to judge jedi ... as being 1.5 stronger ... against a pistoleer a jedi is much stronger than against a rifleman ....

and as far as gank squads .. take away their ability to gank paddies .. but why take it away for full temps? why should we have to play a game where we are designed to win 20% or less of the time? you know padawans wont be hunted now without group vis they wont ever be on the terms its only the full templates who are gonna get on the terms .... why not enable XP for low end mobs ...? so a paddie didnt need to group to gain XP ? so he could grind in peace ....why not just cut group vis ... so if they landed on the terms they deserved a beating ....

gank squads going after low level paddies werent the norm .. it was the rarity ... it was younger kids who werent good at PVP who wanted to be BH ....

the names off the terms were a result by AFK'ers moaning about massive XP debt ... and sony not knowing the full story behind their moans and cries .,... MOST people who were " griefed" were afk'ers ...

you could solve the problem of gank squads by eliminating mutliple BH missions .. you dont need to take our names and info away ... its not realistic .. it takes immersion away for the hunter ....

vThasskv

Romulus76

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:25 pm

#7

OhBuggah wrote:

Tucheck wrote:
ONCE AGAIN (and not for the LAST time)....

Jedi griefing was a DIRECT result of Jedi obtaining vis while grouped...this was a direct result of the changes made BY the Devs. Now they have fixed the "group vis" problem BUT the recourse and changes are STILL going to go live. It was a "set up" and if anyone can't see that, then they are too far on the other side of the fence.

I REFUSE to believe that Jedi were grieved so much as to justify this as a solution. YES....a "type" of Jedi was hunted more then another....

HEY DEVS....THAT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GIVE US THE POWER NEEDED TO KILL THE FULL PADDIES!

It won't stop me though....you can slow me down...but you can't force me to attack. If I pull a full temp...I'll drop that missions faster then FR3, and try it again.

Believe it.

It's not just griefing, per se. The main problem was that bounty hunters were going after Jedi in gank squads. This violated the Dev's game design regarding bounty hunter vs. jedi strength. It is clear that full template Jedi are 1.5x the power of a single bounty hunter. This, for the most part, is true. They achieve this balance. Gank squads broke this balance and thus had to be addressed -- which is what the anonymous Jedi missions are doing.

If you dislike the anonymous Jedi mission changes, you can thank the non-skill-having bounty hunters in Gank Squads (such as the guy who killed a Jedi's jetpack in another recent post), not the griefers, for this.

Sorry but even after Patch 19 my jedi is stronger than any 3 bh's combined, and no I don't have m.defender, nor do I have force cloak or any powers for that matter. MLS-4004 Enhancer-4100 Healer-0440 Defender with a 714dps 1handed saber = all bh die. 4 came for me, I got them seperated with snares and roots and killed them all easilly. As having a BH myself, I found this disheartening. Any Jedi that's over 200k crying about gank squads is a newb that wants all the power and none of the risk. BH's were ganked left and right for months and months with the TEF wars when many of us would hunt solo. Nothing was done till finally Pub 13 or 14 or whatever one did away with the TEF. And I seriously doubt any gank squad's were coming after anyone under 180k. And if they were that jedi was probably a house sitting water baby, in which case more than one may be needed to effectively slow down the jedi in order to complete the mission.

If they're going to do this they need to nerf jedi more or elevate BH's more. Any MBH template needs to be on par with a 220 skillpoint jedi, end of discussion. Don't give me the length of grind crap. Jedi is supposed to be a novelty toon, not a god class.





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Epichistonian

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:29 pm

#8

Romulus76 wrote:

OhBuggah wrote:

Tucheck wrote:
ONCE AGAIN (and not for the LAST time)....

Jedi griefing was a DIRECT result of Jedi obtaining vis while grouped...this was a direct result of the changes made BY the Devs. Now they have fixed the "group vis" problem BUT the recourse and changes are STILL going to go live. It was a "set up" and if anyone can't see that, then they are too far on the other side of the fence.

I REFUSE to believe that Jedi were grieved so much as to justify this as a solution. YES....a "type" of Jedi was hunted more then another....

HEY DEVS....THAT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GIVE US THE POWER NEEDED TO KILL THE FULL PADDIES!

It won't stop me though....you can slow me down...but you can't force me to attack. If I pull a full temp...I'll drop that missions faster then FR3, and try it again.

Believe it.

It's not just griefing, per se. The main problem was that bounty hunters were going after Jedi in gank squads. This violated the Dev's game design regarding bounty hunter vs. jedi strength. It is clear that full template Jedi are 1.5x the power of a single bounty hunter. This, for the most part, is true. They achieve this balance. Gank squads broke this balance and thus had to be addressed -- which is what the anonymous Jedi missions are doing.

If you dislike the anonymous Jedi mission changes, you can thank the non-skill-having bounty hunters in Gank Squads (such as the guy who killed a Jedi's jetpack in another recent post), not the griefers, for this.

Sorry but even after Patch 19 my jedi is stronger than any 3 bh's combined, and no I don't have m.defender, nor do I have force cloak or any powers for that matter. MLS-4004 Enhancer-4100 Healer-0440 Defender with a 714dps 1handed saber = all bh die. 4 came for me, I got them seperated with snares and roots and killed them all easilly. As having a BH myself, I found this disheartening. Any Jedi that's over 200k crying about gank squads is a newb that wants all the power and none of the risk. BH's were ganked left and right for months and months with the TEF wars when many of us would hunt solo. Nothing was done till finally Pub 13 or 14 or whatever one did away with the TEF. And I seriously doubt any gank squad's were coming after anyone under 180k. And if they were that jedi was probably a house sitting water baby, in which case more than one may be needed to effectively slow down the jedi in order to complete the mission.

If they're going to do this they need to nerf jedi more or elevate BH's more. Any MBH template needs to be on par with a 220 skillpoint jedi, end of discussion. Don't give me the length of grind crap. Jedi is supposed to be a novelty toon, not a god class.

We couldn't possibly give you that.... It takes(at most) 2 weeks to AFK-grind to full template

Sarshalus Groundwalker

Give a man a match, he'll be warm for a minute

Light a man on fire, he'll be warm

the rest of his life

OhBuggah

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:31 pm

#9

Romulus76 wrote:

Sorry but even after Patch 19 my jedi is stronger than any 3 bh's combined, and no I don't have m.defender, nor do I have force cloak or any powers for that matter. MLS-4004 Enhancer-4100 Healer-0440 Defender with a 714dps 1handed saber = all bh die. 4 came for me, I got them seperated with snares and roots and killed them all easilly. As having a BH myself, I found this disheartening. Any Jedi that's over 200k crying about gank squads is a newb that wants all the power and none of the risk. BH's were ganked left and right for months and months with the TEF wars when many of us would hunt solo. Nothing was done till finally Pub 13 or 14 or whatever one did away with the TEF. And I seriously doubt any gank squad's were coming after anyone under 180k. And if they were that jedi was probably a house sitting water baby, in which case more than one may be needed to effectively slow down the jedi in order to complete the mission.

If they're going to do this they need to nerf jedi more or elevate BH's more. Any MBH template needs to be on par with a 220 skillpoint jedi, end of discussion. Don't give me the length of grind crap. Jedi is supposed to be a novelty toon, not a god class.

The bounty hunters who travel in gank squads are no-skill-having newbs. If 4 of them couldn't kill you, then they most definitely were total newbs.

Romulus76

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:33 pm

#10

Indeed. Yet I keep reading these idiotic posts by other jedi claiming a year's grind. It's freaking laughable.





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Tucheck

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:46 pm

#11

OhBuggah wrote:

Romulus76 wrote:

Sorry but even after Patch 19 my jedi is stronger than any 3 bh's combined, and no I don't have m.defender, nor do I have force cloak or any powers for that matter. MLS-4004 Enhancer-4100 Healer-0440 Defender with a 714dps 1handed saber = all bh die. 4 came for me, I got them seperated with snares and roots and killed them all easilly. As having a BH myself, I found this disheartening. Any Jedi that's over 200k crying about gank squads is a newb that wants all the power and none of the risk. BH's were ganked left and right for months and months with the TEF wars when many of us would hunt solo. Nothing was done till finally Pub 13 or 14 or whatever one did away with the TEF. And I seriously doubt any gank squad's were coming after anyone under 180k. And if they were that jedi was probably a house sitting water baby, in which case more than one may be needed to effectively slow down the jedi in order to complete the mission.

If they're going to do this they need to nerf jedi more or elevate BH's more. Any MBH template needs to be on par with a 220 skillpoint jedi, end of discussion. Don't give me the length of grind crap. Jedi is supposed to be a novelty toon, not a god class.

The bounty hunters who travel in gank squads are no-skill-having newbs. If 4 of them couldn't kill you, then they most definitely were total newbs.

You really don't have a clue do you?

READ THIS AND GET ONE

Although I'm sorry the links in that thread are dead...believe me, it DID happen. The Jedi took 58,691 points of damage.

~~_________________________________~~

Tubeck Idos

~~________________[~~-FUN-~~]________________~~

Master Bounty Hunter

"Tubeck knows better then to trust Sculley"

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie' while reaching for a stick. "It has been said, "Let he who hath no sin, cast the first stone". So why didn't someone pass Jesus a rock?

OhBuggah

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:50 pm

#12

Tucheck wrote:

OhBuggah wrote:

Romulus76 wrote:

Sorry but even after Patch 19 my jedi is stronger than any 3 bh's combined, and no I don't have m.defender, nor do I have force cloak or any powers for that matter. MLS-4004 Enhancer-4100 Healer-0440 Defender with a 714dps 1handed saber = all bh die. 4 came for me, I got them seperated with snares and roots and killed them all easilly. As having a BH myself, I found this disheartening. Any Jedi that's over 200k crying about gank squads is a newb that wants all the power and none of the risk. BH's were ganked left and right for months and months with the TEF wars when many of us would hunt solo. Nothing was done till finally Pub 13 or 14 or whatever one did away with the TEF. And I seriously doubt any gank squad's were coming after anyone under 180k. And if they were that jedi was probably a house sitting water baby, in which case more than one may be needed to effectively slow down the jedi in order to complete the mission.

If they're going to do this they need to nerf jedi more or elevate BH's more. Any MBH template needs to be on par with a 220 skillpoint jedi, end of discussion. Don't give me the length of grind crap. Jedi is supposed to be a novelty toon, not a god class.

The bounty hunters who travel in gank squads are no-skill-having newbs. If 4 of them couldn't kill you, then they most definitely were total newbs.

You really don't have a clue do you?

READ THIS AND GET ONE

Although I'm sorry the links in that thread are dead...believe me, it DID happen. The Jedi took 58,691 points of damage.

How is that link relevant to post-Publish 19 Jedi healing rate/costs? Answer: absolutely nothing.

Tip though: CM DoTs neutralize force infusion rather nicely. Also, even if none of those 4 bounty hunters were combat medics,I don't see how 4 bounty hunters could not deal out enough damage to overwhelm a Jedi's healing. How is that? Answer: those 4 bounty hunters are clearly total newbs who don't even bother to have good weapons, nor bothered to eat enough accuracy foods to make their shots land.

Message Edited by OhBuggah on 07-06-2005 10:54 PM

Meuw

Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:50 pm

#13

two things:

To SOE: you reap what you sow, making BH better while making almost every other profession worse makes people be BH. Your fault, not ours.

To AFK grinders(jedi or not): that's what you get for being lazy and trying to manipulate the system. I would kill you that many times too, and laugh about it for days. Your laziness is not our concern, you cannot cry about it being dishonorable when your actions are themselves dishonorable.

Jedi like togripe since they know SOE will bend over backwards to please them.

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