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Thread: Non-Bounty Hunter kill issues?

bmill
Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:42 pm
#1

While fighting with Jedi, all of us have probably had one of the following happen:


1. Mob kills the mark

2. Jedi's friend in an active duel kills the Jedi before the hunter does

3. Jedi purposely killsthemself - ie, running into mobs or soon lava.


All 3 of these situations result in the Jedi avoiding a bounty hunter death. My question is this: Should the system change so that ANY death after/while a BH TEF is applied be considered a death at the hands of the bounty hunter?



I say yes, and because:


1. Mob kills the mark - Jedi through stupidity runs into a krayt dragon....

This would also open the possibility that a Bounty Hunter's friend could "drag" mobs onto the Jedi, a bannable offense.


2. Jedi's friend in an active duel kills the Jedi before the hunter does - This is a known issue, and has had much debate


3. Jedi purposely kills themself - ie, running into mobs, or soon lava - This now is and will become an increasing issue with the release of ToOW. Currently, any Jedi can be killed, on purpose, by mobs to avoid a BH death through triple incapping and be safely whisked away from a hunter, and then log off to avoid a BH death, experience loss, etc.


So the question stands to the BH's.... is this an issue that is currenlty "on the books" so to speak?



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ocili
Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:01 pm
#2

I say if you actively have a BH tef on you and you die, by whatever means, XP loss SHOULD happen. Jedi already have it easier now with no xp loss from:


1. PvE Death
2. PvP Death
3. No Group Vis


As you said, death is death, we will take their servered heads as proof, so why shouldn't we get the paid bounty?





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bmill
Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:46 pm
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ocili wrote:

I say if you actively have a BH tef on you and you die, by whatever means, XP loss SHOULD happen. Jedi already have it easier now with no xp loss from:


1. PvE Death
2. PvP Death
3. No Group Vis


As you said, death is death, we will take their servered heads as proof, so why shouldn't we get the paid bounty?






Well.... that's one. Anyone else?!




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Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:52 pm
#4

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Pyskow
Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:52 pm
#5

....lol...year, cry more nerf on the Jedis....XP loss to the BH, or the jedi gets the money if the BH loses, would make it more attarctive for the jedi to saty and fight



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bmill
Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:33 am
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Pyskow wrote:
....lol...year, cry more nerf on the Jedis....XP loss to the BH, or the jedi gets the money if the BH loses, would make it more attarctive for the jedi to saty and fight





But do you agree or disagree that if a Jedi kills himself or dies other than at a bounty hunters hands DURING and WHILE the BH TEF is on them, that it should be considered a "qualifying" death? (xp loss, BH mission credit, etc)



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Dashies
Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:45 am
#7

By the time you will be a jedi, will you make a thread about "Jedi's death, no matter how is a Bounty Hunter's pay" and then say how easy a BH it has when he came after you and his friend dragged some mobs on you and you died by the mobs, you lost xp and the BH got his reward?


A good BH, and there are enough of those out there, don't complain about this, they just kill a jedi and go on to the next one.


It's almost funny how BH and jedi complain about each other, I'm both professions since I got 4 toons, I don't complain.



Get a bigger gun or something




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PanzerIV
Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:59 am
#8

not me...i got killed and moved on to the next one...



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GlargTheKelfn
Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:01 am
#9

what should happen:
xp loss should be removed and drop jedi mission payout to double the highest npc mark. no incentive to farm, jedi will fight if they don't face xp loss.

or wank more for things that will never happen. your choice




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bmill
Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:53 am
#10






Dashies wrote:

By the time you will be a jedi, will you make a thread about "Jedi's death, no matter how is a Bounty Hunter's pay" and then say how easy a BH it has when he came after you and his friend dragged some mobs on you and you died by the mobs, you lost xp and the BH got his reward?


A good BH, and there are enough of those out there, don't complain about this, they just kill a jedi and go on to the next one.


It's almost funny how BH and jedi complain about each other, I'm both professions since I got 4 toons, I don't complain.



Get a bigger gun or something







The question at hand originally had to do with Mustafar. If I attack a Jedi and he purposely jumps into the lava to die by "means other than the BH deathblow" to avoid losing to me, should there be some consideration for that? Should that Jedi, while BH TEF'd be allowed to simply "avoid" the confrontation entirely in that manner?


Personally, I don't really care what the answer is. I was more interested in what the community thought about it. The lack of responses to this post is indicitave of the community not really caring either way.


However, I do see your EXTREMELY valid point. There currently IS nothing to stop a BH's friend from dragging mobs onto a Jedi to kill them in this manner. Were the BH payouts based on a death during/while TEF'd we'd see much more of this. No one can stop a Jedi from killing himself, but I would assume under certain circumstances you would agree that that death was a direct avoidance of the BH confrontation, and done in an effort to preserve their experience points, correct?


So I ask you... should that be allowed, or can the system never govern that type of activity?





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DoctorFett
Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:01 pm
#11

heres my idea. Get rid of XP loss totally. BUT. If the jedi intetionally kills himself i.e the example above thats when the jedi will lose double the xp. This will encourage the jedi to run, which will make the hunt so much more enjoyable. But the TEF will on the jedi will negate the ability for both BH and Jedi to enter any private structure. But since the TEF will be put on the jedi it will automatically update u on the jedi location that way so BHs dont have to continue to use arakyd probe droids. This will mean Space battles if the jedi decides to stay in space.



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AzzirithNicia
Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:03 pm
#12






Pyskow wrote:
....lol...year, cry more nerf on the Jedis....XP loss to the BH, or the jedi gets the money if the BH loses, would make it more attarctive for the jedi to saty and fight






I'm sick and tired of hearing that... "BH get no risk for their reward wah wah..."


Sorry, but a Jedi's reward is the fact that they are Jedi, at least 1.5 times stronger than a normal person. They need no more reward for that. Back in the day, theyhad to worry about perma-death (intelligently removed in my opinion) not to mention saber/power tef's, xp loss (or whatever was associated as such) for every single death they came upon, and even group members gave them vis. If you don't like the plush system you have now, you shoulda tried it before.
AzzirithNicia
Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:05 pm
#13






GlargTheKelfn wrote:
what should happen:
xp loss should be removed and drop jedi mission payout to double the highest npc mark. no incentive to farm, jedi will fight if they don't face xp loss.

or wank more for things that will never happen. your choice




Right, so make the grind for one of the most powerful professions in the game even easier to grind and achieve, right? Sorry, but it's easy enough never to get onto the terminals until you want to get on, I say upthe xp loss if anything, not just drop it all together
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