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Thread: (Force Armor?)/Innate Armor/TKM Armor stacks!
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Nakahs
Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:51 am
#1
Yesterday i was hunting a Jedi who had COB running and a Sword equipped. I thought that would be a easy kill but then i found out this Jedi is the toughest one i ever met. He had only FR1 or 2 running from the Jedi skills and thats all. (my killscore :19 kills / 6 loss / 2 draw)
My dam on him was roughly 50-100 per shot and i was using a 62 acc enhanced 724-1368 (dam puped)dam trando 1b riflewith 2.5 speed and 82sac.
My Acc mod is 295 and i used pyro the whole fight (+220acc -> 515acc).
The Jedi also used the Speed Exploits and hits me at least every 2sec with the same special. I was able to stand him for about 2-3min then my mind was down. I know if he had used a LS with 600-700ish min dam i would be dead in 20sec probably.
After the fight it was very hard to make him speak to me but he told me he has only some branches of the defense skills a Jedi has : Innate Armor/Force Armor and the non Defense skill FR1 or 2 i saw in his buffline (the only sign on this jedi he that he was a jedi).
He also told me that the different Innate Armors do stack even when a non LS weapon is equipped thats why i couldnt do any decent damage to him.
That was very impressive cause i always thought the highest defense mod a player can have is Mdef/MLS or TKM/Sword Combos. But to these Combos i do at least 400-500 dam per hit if COB or Aura is running. The template i tell u people does decrease my dam to 50-100 per hit and i not even hit himthat often even with 515 accuracy + weapon acc.
With this template a Jedi / Melee Hybrid is unstopable and it causes a big unbalance. But does anyone even care about that? At least a correspondent ? For me it looks like this game is only a money cow and for people the looks into details of unbalance and bugs have already played to long the game and are unwanted veterans that are to be replaced by 10 newbs at next expansion.
Message Edited by Nakahs on 09-20-2005 11:52 AM
Message Edited by Nakahs on 09-20-2005 01:00 PM
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Malachii-
Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:01 pm
#2
lmao, I was TKM when I started my jedi grind, it doesn't stack.
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Tanilith
Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:31 pm
#4
Nakahs wrote:
(the only sign on this jedi he that he was a jedi).
Message Edited by Nakahs on 09-20-200511:52 AM
force armor shows a glowing green person in the buffline
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TBH cant really say if he used the force armor too since his buffline was longer than my mod window size. Might be he even used aura with cob but i only saw cob and FR. So cant really say if he used force armor too but he definitely used Innate and tkm armor maybe a PSG too but even then when i hit a Mdef Jedi for 400dam roughly who also has a PSG equipped i could hit this Jedi/Melee Hybrid only for 50 -100dam and thats my point.
it doesn't stack. even says so in the description for christ sakes.
Stop trying to incite riots for no good reason.
TKMaster-Doc
Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:26 pm
#5
Innate Armor dosen't stack, but everythign else does. That includes melee and ranged defenses, COB, force aura, and possibly force armor(not so sure about this one)
So lets say we just look at a TKM/Mdef. And dont forget if you have any jedi skills, you most likely have Enhanced Reflxes melee and ranged defenses. Lets take a look at this:
Melee Ranged Unarmed
TKM: 85 55 75
MDEF: 235215 None
FS: 20 20 None
Total: 340 29075(dont know if this adds to both ranged and melee defenses)
Now think about this, you have a force aura macro, never ending, that adds an additional 500 to both melee and ranged defenses. Now stack that with COB which you can turn on whenever you want during battle as long as your standing still. This adds an additional 500 to both melee and ranged defenses. Now dont tell me that these 2 do not stack, because I've seen it happen. It is the same as if someone had COB/duelist stance. It is possible. These 2 both stack and add an addtional 1000 to ranged and melee defenses. So this means:
Grand Total: 1340 Melee and 1290 Ranged Defenses. Possibly more if Unarmed defense +75 adds up to both. This total does not include any BE clothing with additional mods. Yeah.
Oh and did i forget to add that additional 100 to force defense? Yup. And now the big question does force armor stack or no?
Cuz that adds another what? Oh heck it dont matter cuz your attacks only do 50-100 at this point anyways.
And just to pimp it out even more this person most likely takes FS: melee accuracy and melee speed, along with the Healing tree, and something else. Hell throw in 4000 Force Healing, Then your badass.
And you wonder why he was standing there with a sword instead of a saber? He totaly blew your mind, and totaly trashed you. This template is uber even tho IA dosen't stack. AND AI pwns. Throw in the macro exploit and your screwed. End of discussion.
Nakahs
Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:42 pm
#6
Thanks for that enlightning ... Now i only ask where the heck was the balance with the CU and sh$t?
If dabblers like that are still unbeatable even without being jedi masters?
Marssk
Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:20 am
#7
Nakahs wrote:
(the only sign on this jedi he that he was a jedi).
Message Edited by Nakahs on 09-20-2005 11:52 AM
force armor shows a glowing green person in the buffline
Spookibus
Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:36 am
#8
This is going away soon. Force abilities won't work without a saber equipped in the near future.
Marssk
Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:39 am
#9
Marssk wrote:
Nakahs wrote:
(the only sign on this jedi he that he was a jedi).
Message Edited by Nakahs on 09-20-2005 11:52 AM
force armor shows a glowing green person in the buffline
forgot to say: so either he was sploiting or you are lying
bmill
Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:40 am
#11
Spookibus wrote:
This is going away soon. Force abilities won't work without a saber equipped in the near future.
Which is kind of ridiculous to me, since the Force really has nil to do with a lightsaber. It's not as if by physically holding a lightsaber a Jedi gains his power. If that were true, then Luke would not have been able to "use the force" on the Death Star Trench run to hit the mark without the targeting computer active....
But.... hey nothing else follows the movie canon, why should this issue?
Nakahs
Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:54 am
#12
Marssk wrote :
Nakahs wrote:
(the only sign on this jedi he that he was a jedi).
Message Edited by Nakahs on 09-20-200511:52 AM
force armor shows a glowing green person in the buffline
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TBH cant really say if he used the force armor too since his buffline was longer than my mod window size. Might be he even used aura with cob but i only saw cob and FR. So cant really say if he used force armor too but he definitely used Innate and tkm armor maybe a PSG too but even then when i hit a Mdef Jedi for 400dam roughly who also has a PSG equipped i could hit this Jedi/Melee Hybrid only for 50 -100dam and thats my point.
TKMaster-Doc
Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:24 am
#13
So now that a jedi found a way to be unbeatablein postCU, CUis stillunbalanced, but it wasn't unbalanced for a BH to also have MCM and another tree of pistols or carb right?
Think about what your saying. You make yourself sound stupid.
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